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I took a break from practice, but now I am at it again, so I have some questions and would like your advice. When I do the practice and focus on the "I" feeling I still have thoughts jumping around, incoherent and chaotic. It used to bother me a lot and I tried to stop them, but then I realized only the mind is bothered by them, awareness does just fine. The mind trying to get rid of itself is like a snake biting its tail... I am starting to see more and more of its countless tricks but I still fall in them quite easily. 

Lately I have been realizing I cannot understand awareness with the mind, it's impossible, but it does not let go. I try to focus on the I feeling, or the present moment awareness, but the mind jumps around a lot and is very distracting. Should there be like a gradual quieting or it's just me that isn't making any progress? The moments of clear no thoughts last like 1,2 seconds at the time, then the mind jumps with some random stuff, then refocus and so on. But I am also able to focus on the I feeling or awareness with the mind jumping around. It's a bit noisy, but I can do it, I can keep the awareness while in the background is a crazy party. But I am not sure if this is right, so what should I do?  Focus with the noise and all, not giving it any attention, or try to find only silent awareness, I feeling? 

When I say focus I don't really mean focus intensly, it's more like a relaxing, when I "focus" I remember to relax and be who I am. It's like both a relaxing and a redirecting of attention. 

Also, I understand all that you say, all that Leo says or similar teachers, I understand more and more and I feel like all I have to do is jump. It's like when you see an illusion and all of a sudden it flips in your mind and you see another thing, it is the same thing, but different. I feel like all I have to do is flip something in me, it feels so close yet I am unable to see it. That is why I feel like thoughts are of no relevance, but I also feel that they hinder me from flipping ;))) 

Thank you very much for reading and for your patience :)

(Sorry about the window below, I am on my phone and cannot delete it.)

On 22.11.2018 at 0:46 AM, winterknight said:

 

 

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52 minutes ago, Evelyn said:

@winterknight

I took a break from practice, but now I am at it again, so I have some questions and would like your advice. When I do the practice and focus on the "I" feeling I still have thoughts jumping around, incoherent and chaotic. It used to bother me a lot and I tried to stop them, but then I realized only the mind is bothered by them, awareness does just fine. The mind trying to get rid of itself is like a snake biting its tail... I am starting to see more and more of its countless tricks but I still fall in them quite easily. 

Lately I have been realizing I cannot understand awareness with the mind, it's impossible, but it does not let go. I try to focus on the I feeling, or the present moment awareness, but the mind jumps around a lot and is very distracting. Should there be like a gradual quieting or it's just me that isn't making any progress? The moments of clear no thoughts last like 1,2 seconds at the time, then the mind jumps with some random stuff, then refocus and so on. But I am also able to focus on the I feeling or awareness with the mind jumping around. It's a bit noisy, but I can do it, I can keep the awareness while in the background is a crazy party. But I am not sure if this is right, so what should I do?  Focus with the noise and all, not giving it any attention, or try to find only silent awareness, I feeling? 

When I say focus I don't really mean focus intensly, it's more like a relaxing, when I "focus" I remember to relax and be who I am. It's like both a relaxing and a redirecting of attention. 

Also, I understand all that you say, all that Leo says or similar teachers, I understand more and more and I feel like all I have to do is jump. It's like when you see an illusion and all of a sudden it flips in your mind and you see another thing, it is the same thing, but different. I feel like all I have to do is flip something in me, it feels so close yet I am unable to see it. That is why I feel like thoughts are of no relevance, but I also feel that they hinder me from flipping ;))) 

Thank you very much for reading and for your patience :)

(Sorry about the window below, I am on my phone and cannot delete it.)

If you see that the awareness is unaffected by the thoughts and "does just fine," then who is it that wants to know what to do about this whole situation? Who are you in this situation of thoughts and awareness and this whole decision?

That's what has to happen -- find out what the "I" is. It's not just "focusing" on the I. It is tracing the I... how do you know that you are? Where is that sense coming from?

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What do you think about Papaji a lot of people say he is Neo Advaita... His advice is like stay here now dont touch past future no efort you are already Enlightend, it is just over simplistic? 

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21 minutes ago, SriBhagwanYogi said:

What do you think about Papaji a lot of people say he is Neo Advaita... His advice is like stay here now dont touch past future no efort you are already Enlightend, it is just over simplistic? 

I don't know enough about Papaji to judge, but I can say about that advice that it is technically true but yes, unless the seeker already has a pretty quiet mind, it is overly simplistic.

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2 minutes ago, FredFred said:

Hi winterknight! I'm sorry if my question already came up before in this thread, it's hard to keep up with 144 pages of answers.

If could only give a single advice to someone who wants to reach enlightenment, what would it be?

Be honest about what you want and pursue it, changing course as your feelings change -- that means paying attention to your actual feelings, not what you should want or want to want or wish you want.


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1 hour ago, winterknight said:

Be honest about what you want and pursue it, changing course as your feelings change -- that means paying attention to your actual feelings, not what you should want or want to want or wish you want.

Sounds like authenticity.

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@winterknight How does thinking or reading books about enlightenment very disciplined, help me on the path? Or could I literally just sit on a couch a meditate 24/7 and be fine?

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1 hour ago, Breathe said:

Sounds like authenticity.

Yup

6 minutes ago, Jamie Universe said:

@winterknight How does thinking or reading books about enlightenment very disciplined, help me on the path? Or could I literally just sit on a couch a meditate 24/7 and be fine?

Reading books -- the scriptures, especially -- reprograms your mind in a good way, answers doubts, and re-orients you towards the Self.

You cannot just sit on a couch and meditate 24/7 and be fine. You have to take your meditative mind into other activities. That is the real practice.


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@winterknight I would love to know what your opinion about Tom Campbell's proposition is:

Feel free to post anywhere you like.

Thanks!


"If we repeatedly suffer the humiliation of admitting that we really don't know what we're talking about, eventually we will."

- Vernon Howard

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How important is it to pursue a still mind after awakening?  Mine fluctuates between stillness and busyness because of the intense current requirement for me to think creatively in my daily activities.  There seems to be a lot of conflicting information.  I'm a bit like Leo where I intellectualise, create, philosophise, teach, and it feels like being in no-mind-land is not productive from a relative perspective.  Actually, it can be damn dysfunctional in my experience.  Is no-mind just escapism?  There's not a lot of drive here to be any which way, life just rolls.  There is always a very open/intense heart, and that drives my passion to help others.

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6 hours ago, legendary said:

@winterknight I would love to know what your opinion about Tom Campbell's proposition is:

 

He seems to confuse a lot of different things. He doesn't seem to comprehend enlightenment. He mixes up the realization that there is only the Self with what happens at the level of the appearances of consciousness. He mixes up the consequences of enlightenment with people who have merely fooled themselves into thinking they've realized.

True that nothing is done, but then it is also the case that nothing began. When realization is 'done,' it is also the realization that there is no one for whom it is done. Nothing may be done, but there is also no one to do anything further. He talks about entropy and karma, but actually these appearances do not affect the fact that they cannot be said to exist at all, not one bit.

So all these paradoxes abound, but they are not paradoxes in the light of the Self. He doesn't seem to show any understanding of what self-realization actually is.

3 hours ago, EmptinessDncing said:

How important is it to pursue a still mind after awakening?  Mine fluctuates between stillness and busyness because of the intense current requirement for me to think creatively in my daily activities.  There seems to be a lot of conflicting information.  I'm a bit like Leo where I intellectualise, create, philosophise, teach, and it feels like being in no-mind-land is not productive from a relative perspective.  Actually, it can be damn dysfunctional in my experience.  Is no-mind just escapism?  There's not a lot of drive here to be any which way, life just rolls.  There is always a very open/intense heart, and that drives my passion to help others.

This question arises from a place of identification. Who is it that is wondering this? Is it you? 

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when doing self inqury somethimes it feels like only mind is talking, watching, doing if you understand me its more intelectual than meditative. 

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1 hour ago, winterknight said:

So all these paradoxes abound, but they are not paradoxes in the light of the Self.

Thanks!

Do you think 5-MeO-DMT (or some other psychedelic) can be used for reaching full enlightenment?


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3 minutes ago, SriBhagwanYogi said:

when doing self inqury somethimes it feels like only mind is talking, watching, doing if you understand me its more intelectual than meditative. 

Then, instead, you can just give up all thinking. 


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@SriBhagwanYogiFind the borderline (that you are creating/"created") in-between the concept of your self and your thought(s). That's you. Following what you created towards you.

? Hmmmm

@winterknight  (Is this even describable?) *hopeful shrug*

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@i am I AM Not sure do you think by that i had expirience, glimps of i that is pure awarness but now when i do self inquiry its 80 % mind saying you are behind all God being bla bla cant go back 

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Self-inquiry will not be a help (only reshaping the ego) the moment you try analyze or define awareness while you are that, but rather, I would say ime, to stay in that space and at the sane time realize that that space goes on, forever.

That leads to the arrival of perceiving all as:not "me".

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31 minutes ago, SriBhagwanYogi said:

@i am I AM Not sure do you think by that i had expirience, glimps of i that is pure awarness but now when i do self inquiry its 80 % mind saying you are behind all God being bla bla cant go back 

I was not kidding in what I said above.

stop trying, stop thinking, stop trying to “get back.”

Just give up and relax


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