Spiral Dynamics Stage Green Examples Mega-Thread

[Max147]

Hello everybody,

one of the examples leo mention in his video "spiral dynamics stage green" (Minute 55:00) is anti vaxxers. My question is: why do belong anti vaxxers to stage green? If somebody have a clue or his own interpretation on that example i would be very thankful. 

Edited August 19, 2021 by Max147
grammatical errors

[Carl-Richard]

Thoughts that I basically ripped off from Daniel Schmachtenberger: What is Patriarchy?

The male-dominated, hierarchical structure of society known as Patriarchy originated ~10 000 years ago with the advent of agriculture (intensified labour) and not coincidentally the plow (upperbody strength) and the use of farm animals as labour. All this lead to increased resources, territorial expansion and tribal warfare; the rise of male power-Gods and imperialism, decline of female, animalistic and naturalistic tribal Gods, the origin of various dichotomies like the man against nature, man over animals and man over women etc. Then later came the Abrahamic religions which attempted to reduce the genocidal atrocities caused by this elevated male impulse, but it did so by repressing feminity and female autonomy even more (by covering them up in clothing etc.).

[Carl-Richard]

Masculine-Green boomers learning about TikTokers. Notice the level of self-awareness and seeing the limitations of one's own perspective and being understanding and openminded about other perspectives.

6:12 - 11:00 "...then you realize: not everything is made for you."

 

Edited August 20, 2021 by Carl-Richard

[Carl-Richard]

41 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Sincere question: If gender is arbitrary, not real, a social construct, then why are we making new categories? We are we concerning ourselves with nonbinary, transgender, and not to simply drop gender all together? We all go by gender neutral names, pronouns, and dress.

It's a bit like asking "why does God imagine the universe if it's all just arbitrary?" If it's arbitrary, who gives a fuck either way? The problem is that most people dont actually see it that way, even the LGBTQ+ folks. They don't think their non-binary identity is arbitrary -- it's their identity. It's real for them, and therein lies the problem of Tier 1; unconsciously self-imposed indentities of division.

Edited August 20, 2021 by Carl-Richard

[Leo Gura]

On 8/19/2021 at 4:03 AM, Max147 said:

one of the examples leo mention in his video "spiral dynamics stage green" (Minute 55:00) is anti vaxxers. My question is: why do belong anti vaxxers to stage green? If somebody have a clue or his own interpretation on that example i would be very thankful. 

There are two basic groups of anti-vaxxers: left-wing and right-wing.

The left-wing are doing it from a hippie, vegan, New Age holistic health perspective. These people actually eat healthy.

The right-wing are doing it from a freedumb, fuck the government, cultural, reactionary, libertarian perspective. These people shovel shit and poison in their mouth every day.

The left-wing anti-vaxxers are Green. The right-wing are Blue/Orange.

1 hour ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Sincere question: If gender is arbitrary, not real, a social construct, then why are we making new categories? We are we concerning ourselves with nonbinary, transgender, and not to simply drop gender all together? We all go by gender neutral names, pronouns, and dress.

It's not totally arbitrary, it's deeply linked to survival.

If you care about survival (and that IS all you basically care about) then you will be very busy constructing stuff.

[Rilles]

 

[Harikrishnan]

Weed using Nuns.

[Ethan1]

 

[Preety_India]

@Ethan1 wow, that was intense. 

[Ethan1]

 

@Preety_India Yeah, this guy puts some serious work into making the videos with all the editing 

Edited August 23, 2021 by Ethan1

[Preety_India]

@Ethan1 hahaha  he is trying to manifest socialism. 

 

[Ethan1]

@Preety_India I mostly liked the beat of the music & intense editing skills ??. A little bit about socialism hahah

[Bernardo Carleial]

very nice example of vMEME Green sustainability 

[Raze]

TITLE: University of Wisconsin removes boulder seen as sign of racism

 

[Bernardo Carleial]

The most "clear as day" examples of vMEME Green entrepreneurship I've ever seen in a documentary 

[tuckerwphotography]

 

[Leo Gura]

17 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

Why you think guys these days are so insecure about their looks? Because of this shit. My ultimate point is that this objectification which i dissagree with happens to BOTH GENDERS.  Yes, maybe to females it happens more, but guys are not immune to it either.

Of course media will always depict the top 5% of physically best-looking humans. You cannot put an ugly human in a movie as the main character. No one will pay to see it.

Of course men are idealized as well as women. The difference is, a woman's beauty is much more important to her reproductive survival than a man's. A man can compensate with character, wealth, status, leadership skills, humor, etc. A woman is not so flexible because men are so turned on by visuals.

[Karmadhi]

@Leo Gura 

13 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

A man can compensate with character, wealth, status, leadership skills, humor, etc. A woman is not so flexible because men are so turned on by visuals.

True but most guys these days do not see it in this way because of this sexualization bs. They feel worthless because they do not match standards set by the entertainment industry. So what you say is true but because of these standards and vibe that is created it makes them insecure a lot nonetheless. Even the notion of what a high quality guy is has changed in their minds. Tyler says it very well, good looking guys are portratied as very confident and charismatic so if a guy is not handsome he will feel like he should not be confident or charismatic. Most of it is subconscious. Yes, if you do self actualization work and self help it will seem foolish but most young people cannot see that far or deep.

What would be the best solution is to remove this extreme sexualization and objectification in general. A lot is really unecessary in telling a good narrative and used as a shameless money grab, ignoring the subtle effects it has on young people.

13 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You cannot put an ugly human in a movie as the main character

No but you can put a normal looking guy if he is skilled. Even male singers are quite handsome in general these days. I do not recall watching someone's face when i listen to music. Still happens. For females it is 50 times worse cough nicky minaj cough.

My rant here is about this whole industry, it is purely disgusting and ruining the self esteem of basically my whole generation (i am a zoomer).

So i am fully agreeing on what you said about Tomb Raider ass thing affecting young girls and building up on it to include everyone.

Edited August 26, 2021 by Karmadhi

[Leo Gura]

38 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

@Leo Gura 

True but most guys these days do not see it in this way because of this sexualization bs. They feel worthless because they do not match standards set by the entertainment industry.

They feel worthless because they have invented a toxic victim ideology which spreads like cancer through our culture. And because no one showed them how to act like man. Nor are they interested in growing.

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What would be the best solution is to remove this extreme sexualization and objectification in general.

It's not going to be removed. Show biz will always be polished and appearance-oriented. Show biz is not for ugly people, if you want that, go into radio or academia.

The solution is to stop comparing yourself to others.

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My rant here is about this whole industry, it is purely disgusting and ruining the self esteem of basically my whole generation (i am a zoomer).

Stop hinging your self-esteem on such silly things.

Media is always going to reflect the lowest common denominator ideals of the culture.

[AtheisticNonduality]

39 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

I do not recall watching someone's face when i listen to music.

Live performances, music videos, album covers?