Spiral Dynamics Stage Blue Examples Mega-Thread

[Lyubov]

 stage blue in america... wow

[andyjohnsonman]

 

[andyjohnsonman]

 

[Rasheed]

 

[SeanD]

I think this article shows a thoughtful Blue thinker lamenting that his newspaper (nytimes) is entering the transition from Orange to Green.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/nyt-tom-cotton-oped-liberalism.html

@Leo Gura I'm curious what you think.

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[Recursoinominado]

 

This whole video is a shit show of inauthenticity, not only by Ted Cruz but the other journalists too, it is kind of scary that so many people actually watch this kind of crap and form opinions and world views.

Edited June 14, 2020 by Recursoinominado

[Moon]

Fictional, but a mostly stage red land being taken over by stage blue religion, getting rid of all "sin"

Especially when arresting the gay prince:
- "Ser Loras Tyrell, you have broken the laws of Gods and Men"
~ 'Who do you think you are?'
- "Justice"

 

Edited June 15, 2020 by Moon

[Godhead]

15 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

You mock them, but they're getting 10+ attack damage

underrated ahahahaha

[Leo Gura]

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/traitors-of-america/

 

[AtheisticNonduality]

This guy always denies the fact that he's a literal Nazi.  Nope, he's not a Nazi.  He's just a far right totalitarian ultranationalist that advocates for a white ethnostate and self-identifies as a "Polish National Socialist."

https://www.quora.com/profile/David-Wawrzuta

[JessiChell]

Blue confuses me. 

Mainly because of "justice." 

BLM and veganism and other social justice movements are steeped in the pursuit of justice. Fighting against abuse, oppression and exploitation. Yet all examples listed seem to be mainly, alt-right conservative groups.

Can we move "justice" to green? @Leo Gura

Edited June 17, 2020 by JessiChell

[Apparition of Jack]

@JessiChell Blue justice and Green justice are different. Blue justice would be locking up a murderer for life without any chance of parole, so that the family of the victim gets some sense of closure and the perpetrator gets their due punishment. Green justice would be ending systemic discrimination against minorities, so that anyone who wants to succeed can do so without fear of being held back due to their skin colour. Both are ideas of "justice" but one is more based on punishment for wrongdoing whilst the other is based on fairness in social interactions.

Edited June 17, 2020 by Apparition of Jack

[JessiChell]

@Apparition of Jack Oh thank you, thank you. 

Edit: so... it's not real justice then. The blue justice? It basically goes against the definition. 

Edited June 17, 2020 by JessiChell

[Godhead]

@JessiChell Important thing to understand about spiral dynamics: "The higher up on the spiral, the bigger the circle of concern."

So yes both blue and green want justice, but a blue person is mostly going to be worried about justice for "his people" (that is also why they aren't too worried about harsh punishments since it won't affect "his people"). That's why the blue person struggles with gay rights, minorities, and veganism.

+ There is no such thing as real justice, it's entirely subjective

Edited June 17, 2020 by Godhead

[JessiChell]

@Godhead Ah, okay. Thank you for the explanation.

[Wordless]

3 hours ago, JessiChell said:

Can we move "justice" to green?

I would say justice is an appeal to conform to some standard that is held as absolute (like the code of law or some cultural norm). When someone demands justice, he is saying that there is a perpetrator (a person or out-group) who has violated the standard, and that there needs to to be some punishment or compensation to correct things. Saying "justice" signals moral superiority. This seems like a very blue perspective to me.

Green would be more like mediating on eye level between subjective perspectives. I would call the value behind that equality rather than justice. Of course a healthy green person will use blue "programs" whenever the requirements for green are not met (like calling the police when feeling physically unsafe).

Sometimes you see green content in blue structure, don't be confused by that. The cliché of the social justice warrior refers to that, people who are fighting more against an out-group than for a purpose. I would see the structure as more important than the content and call that behavior blue.

[Leo Gura]

6 hours ago, JessiChell said:

it's not real justice then. The blue justice?

There is no such thing as "real" justice. There are various forms of it depending on your level of consciousness and development.

Blue justice is very real and important. It is stern law and order type of justice. It's more masculine in flavor. A lot of the court and legal system is from stage Blue. Police. Military. etc.

Green justice is more hippie and feminine in flavor. It's softer, more compassionate, less authoritarian, less punishing.

Conservative justice vs liberal justice.

[JessiChell]

@Leo Gura Okay, thank you for your explanation, Leo.

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