Spiral Dynamics Stage Blue Examples Mega-Thread

[Raze]

TITLE: A Catholic Approach to Identity Politics w/ Mary Eberstadt

TITLE: Oct. 10, 2013 - Leonard Sax - Faith & Boys and Girls; The Great Disappointment

 

 

Edited January 12 by Raze

[aurum]

This is SUCH a good example of spiral dynamics at play. I had to post it.

The question about relativism (largely a stage Green concept) is being posed to William Lane Craig, who is a theologian that defends God's existence and feels very Blue / Orange to me.

Notice that despite being lower on the spiral than Green, he is actually able to make an intelligent point against it, which is that relativism eats itself. This is hugely important because we tend to assume that valid critiques can only be made down the spiral. No! Lower stages can in fact sometimes see the flaws of higher stages. But it does not make those at the lower stages above them.

Why is that? It's because even though WLC can offer a refutation of absolute relativism, probably because of his extensive academic training, he fails at integrating and understanding the value of relativism and stage Green.

To truly be higher than Green, he would need to go through Green and relativism. He would have to let Green relativism burn through his objective notions of truth. Which he clearly has not done. He doesn't understand why people are relativists, he just thinks they are deluded. "Clearly absolute relativity is wrong! Therefore my relative constructions must be true, right?"

This is the same mistake Jordan Peterson is making.

Isn't spiral dynamics fascinating? iI's so complex! No one person could have ever figured all this out. Serious science is needed.

[DefinitelyNotARobot]

His blue clothes are pretty fitting.

[supremeyingyang]

I started a thread about this, nobody answered, but I find this too interesting to be overlooked. It's Stage Red/Blue meets Blue/ early Orange

https://www.afghanistan-analysts.org/en/reports/context-culture/new-lives-in-the-city-how-taleban-have-experienced-life-in-kabul/

 

"What I experienced here in the last years, though, is that one can come across the perfect Muslim and the worst. Unlike villages where a lot of people go to the mosque to impress others, people in Kabul go there just for the sake of Allah. Unlike the villages where people endeavour to be called generous, people here do charity for the sake of Allah – people know little about each other and so they don’t need to impress each other."

"One thing I don’t like about Kabul is that people have moved here from all of Afghanistan’s 34 provinces and among them, a large number of criminals from across Afghanistan have made their way here and turned the city into a hub for their illegal activities. We face a lot of difficulties in eliminating crime, particularly robbery."

[Bernardo Carleial]

 

[Raze]

TITLE: Dr. Leonard Sax - Eric Metaxas Part 1 - Collapse of Parenting 2019

 

[aurum]

Stage Green poking fun at Stage Blue rural, nationalistic types that distrust the government:

 

Edited March 14 by aurum

[Bernardo Carleial]

The Dark Side of vMEME Blue

[VoidJumper]

Stage blue choosing suicide over facing the transformational dilemma (Javert from Les Misérables)

 

 

[Spiritual Warrior]

This is a channel that expresses stage blue beliefs. This is stage blue because the girl is using the bible to answer a question about how to live her life instead of thinking for herself and trying to come up with her own belief. The bible is the word of God after all and the word of God is absolute and cannot be questioned.

I think that this is a healthy version of stage blue because these girls are spreading their faith in a cheerful and comforting way. They also don't demonize others or use hateful language, they are genuinely trying to help. Viewers of the channel will not be able to move up to stage orange, but it will help anyone in stage red and can also be comforting to anyone at stage blue. 

One thing that I found cool is at 2:56, the girl giggles, and it made me realize that just because she is stuck at stage blue, it doesn't mean that she hasn't done a great job of integrating her authentic femininity in her own life. This relates to another model that David Deida likes to talk about in his books, masculine vs feminine energy. And this model is also important to use and integrate into our own lives in order to be happy and fulfilled. 

Edited April 4 by Spiritual Warrior

[LSD-Rumi]

Fethullah Gulen has the ability to agitate the crowd in a way I have not seen before. 

Basically, he is saying, breathe the spirit of Muhammad, transcend time and place, and be with him.

watch the video to the end, it gets better 

 

Edited May 15 by LSD-Rumi

[Husseinisdoingfine]