Is Leo Gura awake or not?

[Flowerfaeiry]

No. And we know this because of how he interacts (and doesn’t interact) with others. 

[Someone here]

47 minutes ago, Flowerfaeiry said:

No. And we know this because of how he interacts (and doesn’t interact) with others. 

He’s not that bad but he’s definitely not a care bear either .  And regardless, you should separate out spiritual realization itself from how he expresses himself . He’s not your stereotypical nice guru . I never heard Rupert Spira or  Tolle say the word “fuck “ or “shit “ lol . But Leo speaks casually . He treats you as his bro .  

[Mellowmarsh]

No one knows what consciousness is though. You can define consciousness as a concept known but no one has ever seen it or can look at it and say that is consciousness or that is what consciousness looks like because it cannot be imaged. A image of consciousness would not be a thing outside of itself to be looked upon. The thing is we can’t know consciousness because we are consciousness. So we can’t actually know what or who exactly is waking up, or having an awakening experience, so to speak. 
 

The human mind seems to have the capacity to transcend itself, or for the mind to fall away from consciousness, and for pure consciousness to become aware of its Self. This begins to get into areas which philosophy and theology have been trying to go for millennia. But none of it can actually get there because as soon as it is put into thoughts or concepts it becomes relativised. And no relative is the absolute, and so it will be never be that absolute Truth, that Ultimate Reality. It will always be fallible, uncertain, partial, imperfect, and it will pertain to the particular, the finite, the limited, the temporal, it will be conditioned. It will not be Reality as-it-is.

[LastThursday]

It's the age old question: how do we know anything?

The best you can do is ask and then observe the answer. But if you don't know what you're looking for then it's a dead duck even before you've got started. 

In general you can't trust what anybody tells you, because they could be grifting, deluded, misinformed, ignorant and so on.

It's even worse in Leo's case because none of us has met in him person, all we have to go on are is his videos and what he writes on here and elsewhere. He seems intelligent, sincere, coherent, and the sum of his behaviour and output over time seems to support the view that something's going on him - so I would give him the benefit of the doubt.

The problem with having any particular trait or experience (such as being awake) that nobody else has, is that it's blindingly obvious to yourself that you have it and others don't, but the converse doesn't hold, and no amount of grandstanding can convince everyone or even some people - because they don't have it and they can't understand it.

[Flowerfaeiry]

@Someone here so you think he’s awake? I really don’t think anyone who’s done any amount of spiritual work is saying you need to be a care bear, that swearing is sinful or even that you have to be “nice”. 

[Someone here]

3 minutes ago, Flowerfaeiry said:

@Someone here so you think he’s awake? 
 

it’s not easy to answer it like that . According to Leo himself , there are degrees and facets to Awakening. It’s not a single realization or an on-off switch .  But you can assume that he has obviously some large degree of that knowledge because he’s consistent with all spiritual traditions like Hinduism , Buddhism , Taoism , regarding the nature of what consciousness is and and what the self is . And also certain Sects of Christo judaic religions, especially regarding the definition of “God “ and its characteristics. He claims to have arrived to these conclusions on his own work of meditation, contemplating, psychedelics and the research he’s done into these subjects. 
the only thing I personally disagree with him is Solipsism.  Nobody says solipsism is the highest level of awakening expect for him . He deleted the video because I feel like he’s deep down unsure .

[Mellowmarsh]

20 minutes ago, LastThursday said:

In general you can't trust what anybody tells you, because they could be grifting, deluded, misinformed, ignorant and so on.

There is a lot of grifting about it for sure. No human being does anything for free these days. Talking about Something that’s not for sale really is just a business venture that’s open to anyone willing to pay, nothing wrong with that if one is desperate to pay for knowledge, and where’s there’s muck there’s brass so to speak. And also what I find irritating is when someone else tells you you’re not awake yet because you have not yet reached a certain expansion of awareness that they have reached. I mean how can someone else possibly know the consciousness level of another person is beyond me. 
 

 

Edited 45 minutes ago by Mellowmarsh

[Yimpa]

It is important to not confuse a person becoming enlightened or awoken to awakening to what God really is.

[Mellowmarsh]

7 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

It is important to not confuse a person becoming enlightened or awoken to awakening to what God really is.

It’s also important to make up your own mind about what you are listening to within the voice of others as to what you personally find as valuable to you, and not just have them tell you what they think is best for you. What’s best for you is for you to decide, no one else. 

[Flowerfaeiry]

@Someone here ok but in the original post it asked if he could be compared to certain well known figures that a majority of people consider awake. We don’t just consider these people awake just because of their raw knowledge of consciousness. 

[Someone here]

2 minutes ago, Flowerfaeiry said:

@Someone here ok but in the original post it asked if he could be compared to certain well known figures that a majority of people consider awake. We don’t just consider these people awake just because of their raw knowledge of consciousness. 

Then inform me why we consider them awake ? Because of their teachings about spirituality. And it’s even more tangible when it comes to Leo because you can watch his recordings and speak to him . Whereas Buddha and Ramana Maharishi are dead . And they didn’t even teach that much . And Leo got their version of spirituality covered in his old content as I mentioned anyways .So it’s nothing new .