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[Joseph Maynor]

6 minutes ago, LordFall said:

If we are to rank religions on consciousness I think the Bahai Faith is much superior to Islam or the other Abrahamic religions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baháʼí_Faith

They believe that divine truth was given to humanity in different stages through different prophets that came and founded the other religions. They taught unity of religion instead of group think. They have their own prophets The Bab and Baha Ullah that originated in the 19th century.

They have churches all over, saw one in Toronto and looking up their history and practices they seem pretty cool. 

If you have a relationship with God, hierarchy of religions makes no sense.

[Someone here]

7 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

But having a relationship with God is different from thinking you are God, no?  

Yes . Most people don’t think they are god though and it’s not going to click in Their minds . So the better alternative is to have a relationship with god as an other ,through worship . Meet people where they are . Don’t assume that all people are at the same level of development.

7 minutes ago, LordFall said:

If we are to rank religions on consciousness I think the Bahai Faith is much superior to Islam or the other Abrahamic religions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baháʼí_Faith

They believe that divine truth was given to humanity in different stages through different prophets that came and founded the other religions. They taught unity of religion instead of group think. They have their own prophets The Bab and Baha Ullah that originated in the 19th century.

They have churches all over, saw one in Toronto and looking up their history and practices they seem pretty cool. 

Islam is certainly not the most high consciousness religion, neither in the past nor today . Christianity definitely seems more conscious. I said it’s the most beautiful religion to my heart . 
Bahai religion is trying to mimic Islam . Their holy book is a laughable attempt at trying to produce a work of literature which is a work of art compared to the Quran . 

[Joseph Maynor]

21 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Yes . Most people don’t think they are god though and it’s not going to click in Their minds . So the better alternative is to have a relationship with god as an other ,through worship . Meet people where they are . Don’t assume that all people are at the same level of development.

Islam is certainly not the most high consciousness religion, neither in the past nor today . Christianity definitely seems more conscious. I said it’s the most beautiful religion to my heart . 
Bahai religion is trying to mimic Islam . Their holy book is a laughable attempt at trying to produce a work of literature which is a work of art compared to the Quran . 

There is no duality between the individual and the relation when it comes to God.

[r0ckyreed]

The response Leo should give when people compare his work to religions is to not be triggered or act offended. The act of being triggered or offended suggests something is missing.

The best response is sometimes no response. Just keep doing you. When you act offended, then you prove their point.

[Joseph Maynor]

1 minute ago, r0ckyreed said:

The response Leo should give when people compare his work to religions is to not be triggered or act offended. The act of being triggered or offended suggests something is missing.

The best response is sometimes no response. Just keep doing you. When you act offended, then you prove their point.

Leo has a right to create however he wants to.  Nobody is taking any offense to that.

[LordFall]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

Yes . Most people don’t think they are god though and it’s not going to click in Their minds . So the better alternative is to have a relationship with god as an other ,through worship . Meet people where they are . Don’t assume that all people are at the same level of development.

Islam is certainly not the most high consciousness religion, neither in the past nor today . Christianity definitely seems more conscious. I said it’s the most beautiful religion to my heart . 
Bahai religion is trying to mimic Islam . Their holy book is a laughable attempt at trying to produce a work of literature which is a work of art compared to the Quran . 

Why would the Bahai Holy Book be laughable? What makes the Quran a work of art and not mostly gibberish nonsense? 

They do a great job of PR and poetry you see how @Thought Art fell for that side of it and then they use that to make you accept the authoritarian societal control it pushes and the rigid cult like hierarchy it operates under. 

They are so deeply devoid of actual introspection beyond surface level virtue signalling that I've had muslim friends talk about how Andrew Tate is obviously a deep man of God since he converted to Islam lol 

@Joseph Maynor It matters a lot because those religions affect the world and their followers to varying degrees some in good ways and for others it oppresses them and controls them.

Us having a personal relationship to God doesn't stop you from understanding how human politics operate on earth. It should elevate our perspectives and make us more thorough in our epistemology if anything. 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by LordFall

[Someone here]

13 minutes ago, LordFall said:

Why would the Bahai Holy Book be laughable? What makes the Quran a work of art and not mostly gibberish nonsense? 

I understand Arabic.  The Quran , in Arabic ,has a clear and distinct musical rhythm . I’m not claiming the meaning of the phrases is a work of art or not . It mostly speaks about god’s existence, god’s qualities, the purpose of life and such topics . You could argue that any poem is a work of art . But coming from a person who claims to have direct contact with Allah (God ) , and who was historically documented to be illiterate, it makes it beautiful.  The Baha’i holy book is a clear attempt at mimicking the Quranic style . 

Edited 2 hours ago by Someone here

[LordFall]

I think you should be careful pointing stuff as laughable if what you enjoy most from it's alternative is the musical aspect of it. We're talking about deep philosophy and politics here and the impact on mankind. Do you live in an islamic society or are you art of the muslim diaspora? I think anyone who has grown up muslim or that knows muslim people will have many stories of neglect and abuse tied to that style of upbringing.

Islam is not unique in that aspect plenty of cultures also abuse their people but it's pretty consistent in that practice and rarely do I meet someone that came from that religion that hasn't experienced it. 

[Someone here]

2 minutes ago, LordFall said:

I think you should be careful pointing stuff as laughable if what you enjoy most from it's alternative is the musical aspect of it. We're talking about deep philosophy and politics here and the impact on mankind. Do you live in an islamic society or are you art of the muslim diaspora? I think anyone who has grown up muslim or that knows muslim people will have many stories of neglect and abuse tied to that style of upbringing.

Islam is not unique in that aspect plenty of cultures also abuse their people but it's pretty consistent in that practice and rarely do I meet someone that came from that religion that hasn't experienced it. 

When I said the Quran is a work of art, I was referring specifically to its literary and poetic style. Its linguistic structure is distinctive and, in my view, extraordinarily difficult to imitate. That’s also part of why I find its composition so remarkable, particularly given the traditional account of Muhammad as someone who neither read nor wrote.

And when I mentioned the Baha’i writings, my point was simply that they attempt to reproduce or echo the Qur’anic style. It’s a fact . Do the research if you don’t know.

 I wasn’t trying to turn the conversation into a debate about “deep philosophy” or politics.

I simply said that Islam is my favorite religion. Favorite does not mean I consider it the end-all and be-all of every possible question. I can admire a religion deeply without pretending that I have nothing left to question, learn, or understand.

If you want to discuss Islam’s impact on politics, that’s a completely different conversation .and honestly, I don’t have enough experience or knowledge in that area to pretend otherwise. Leo taught me a principle I take seriously: don’t speak with certainty about things you don’t understand well or haven’t actually experienced.

So I’m perfectly comfortable defending what I actually said, while also being honest about the limits of what I know.

 

[Oppositionless]

1 hour ago, Joseph Maynor said:

There is no duality between the individual and the relation when it comes to God.

God can worship itself by forgetting itself. you might know you're God but unless you're infinitely conscious there are parts of yourself you aren't conscious of.

[LordFall]

@Someone here Got it, I'm glad we agree that it's best taken as interesting niche beliefs to study and Islam is not an accurate ideology in terms of proper living or a serious deconstruction of reality. 

Edited 1 hour ago by LordFall

[Someone here]

38 minutes ago, LordFall said:

@Someone here Got it, I'm glad we agree that it's best taken as interesting niche beliefs to study and Islam is not an accurate ideology in terms of proper living or a serious deconstruction of reality. 

Well , what Islam and the Quran talk about is a mixed of things which are true , and things which are “interesting niche beliefs to study “. 

An example of truths : God exists . God is all-powerful . God is all-Knowing . 

an example of beliefs : Angels , Devils , hell , paradise , an afterlife , the day of resurrection.

[Heaven]

@Thought Art Can you see that you’re biased on this matter? Obviously you’re wrong here but are you open to it?