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[Sugarcoat]

Just now, Schizophonia said:

“Anything that seems strange to me is quackery or a cult”

 

"if something is crazy enough, I assume it to be untrue"

[Wilhelm44]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

They could be at the right moment in their life where they are open to a non-dual epiphany and whatever they seem to be doing in their life doesn't really seem to be making them feel fulfilled anyway and they make that connection. The transition to non-duality is always in a sense orthogonal, so throwing it at almost all and any situation could be warranted based on that point alone.

I discovered non-duality when I was extremely dysfunctional and you would've probably argued I needed some kind of standard psychological intervention/teaching instead (and I was actually looking in that direction prior to that), but that didn't seem to change the fact that my life became quite different after that point.

Fair enough.

I still think some discernment goes a long way.

Maybe spamming the nondual stuff has some value too, who knows.

Edited 14 hours ago by Wilhelm44

[Jirh]

@Carl-Richard

That Nahm dude cannot be defended.

He replied with non-dual platitudes to someone that was seriously about to commit suicide. And that someone did commit suicide in the end.

I'm not saying Nahm was responsible. But he was clearly unwise and irresponsible.

Edited 15 hours ago by Jirh

[Harikrishnan]

6 minutes ago, Jirh said:

@Carl-Richard

That Nahm dude cannot be defended.

He replied with non-dual platitudes to someone that was seriously about to commit suicide. And that someone did commit suicide in the end.

I'm not saying Nahm was responsible. But he was clearly unwise and irresponsible.

Yes, this. I thought I only remembered this and doubted if it was my memory. His non dual mumblings were cute at first. Then he was posting it everywhere without even understanding where people are at.  

Edited 15 hours ago by Harikrishnan

[AerisVahnEphelia]

4 minutes ago, Jirh said:

@Carl-Richard

That Nahm dude cannot be defended.

He replied with non-dual platitudes to someone that was seriously about to commit suicide. And that someone did commit suicide in the end.

I'm not saying Nahm was responsible. But he was clearly unwise and irresponsible.

I don't believe that platitudes are responsible for the suicide . . at best it was probably neutral and didn't changed the outcome.

[Wilhelm44]

37 minutes ago, Jirh said:

@Carl-Richard

That Nahm dude cannot be defended.

He replied with non-dual platitudes to someone that was seriously about to commit suicide. And that someone did commit suicide in the end.

I'm not saying Nahm was responsible. But he was clearly unwise and irresponsible.

Carl's gonna ask you to go through 20K of Nahm's posts to find that specific one.

It's just uncanny how many people remember him giving inappropriate advice.

But you won't change Carl's mind on the topic of Nahm, it's useless, I've tried. 

[Jirh]

1 hour ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Carl's gonna ask you to go through 20K of Nahm's posts to find that specific one.

 

[Wilhelm44]

35 minutes ago, Jirh said:

 

@Carl-Richard  your thoughts ?

[Schizophonia]

3 hours ago, Jirh said:

@Carl-Richard

That Nahm dude cannot be defended.

He replied with non-dual platitudes to someone that was seriously about to commit suicide. And that someone did commit suicide in the end.

I'm not saying Nahm was responsible. But he was clearly unwise and irresponsible.

He couldn't do anything it's an illusion 

[Schizophonia]

3 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

"if something is crazy enough, I assume it to be untrue"

People who claim to be skeptical—typically regarding the topics Leo addresses—are often highly emotional and lack rigor, operating in a state of denial hence the projection.

 

[Elliott]

Neo-advaitans don't believe what they say, they wouldn't say it if they did because 'there's nobody' to say it to. It's just an attempt to bypass therapy and an aversion to some nagging issue they have, it's intentional dissociation from life - that absolutely fosters suicide, it's toxic and psychosis inducing. Neo-advaita isn't even spiritual, it's similar to prosperity preaching.

Edited 11 hours ago by Elliott

[CARDOZZO]

Advice 01:

Work on your "stage orange" responsibilities. Be healthy, make money, develop mastery.

Advice 02:

Spirituality is healthy when your financial/survival responsibilities are being met consistently.

Advice 03:

Do real spirituality.

[Wilhelm44]

As far as Nahm goes:

There's such a thing as meeting people where they are at.

He didn't seem to have any respect for that principle.

[Carl-Richard]

3 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

@Carl-Richard  your thoughts ?

If you actually read what Nahm wrote to SoonHei in the quoted PMs, he pointed to the idea that you can't really use "life is a dream" to conclude that taking your life is a preferable action over simply honoring life, and that acting in such a way would be based on a misunderstanding.

And remember, people in the "Leo runs a cult" videos want to draw the same connection that you're doing now, that even engaging on the idea that "life is a dream" is already too far and is causing suicides. It seemingly doesn't help to actively dissuade someone against suicide without simultaneously lying that "no in fact, life cannot be said to be a dream in any way, forget that you ever thought that, forget that we ever said that".

[Carl-Richard]

10 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

As far as Nahm goes:

There's such a thing as meeting people where they are at.

He didn't seem to have any respect for that principle.

It's the exact opposite. Lying to them and saying "no no no, life is not a dream in any way, forget about it" is not meeting them where they are at.

Edited 8 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Joshe]

8 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I want to push his head through a glass window.

Non-safety glass.

And the result will not be like the lies in the movies, where people take full glass curtains to the body - straight through - not a scratch. I'm talking I want to see that ball-chin shredded and dangling from ribbons of soft threaded skin, lacerated neck and the full force of a fountain of arterial jugular blood hydraulics in action. Painting the surrounding walls like a frenzied surrealist was let loose with a clean canvas and nothing but red paint.

My dick has entered the building. Let's fuck.

"What is sadism?" 

[Wilhelm44]

10 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

It's the exact opposite. Lying to them and saying "no no no, life is not a dream in any way, forget about it" is not meeting them where they are at.

Yeah, I guess there's no right way of dealing with suicidal people.

 

[Carl-Richard]

20 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Yeah, I guess there's no right way of dealing with suicidal people.

I mean, you can dissuade them if you don't want them to commit suicide. But pointing to very general and abstract individual beliefs they hold to explain their proximity to suicide is a game of statistical whack-a-mole. Is the belief in an afterlife causing suicides? What about the belief that nothing happens after you die and it's just a blank nothingness? What about reincarnation? What about "everything is love"?

Edited 8 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[vibv]

On 14.7.2026 at 3:28 PM, Leo Gura said:

You think Actualized.org is a cult? Great! Then I have nothing more to teach you. We have nothing further to discuss.

Anyone who thinks Actualized.org is a cult has no clue what I teach and will never grasp what I teach.

It's not black & white. I don't think it's a cult per se, but there's the danger of cult-like tendencies. Especially because this whole forum is centered around one person. I don't say that's necessarily wrong, but there are risks involved.

Why shouldn't we be able to discuss that? Isn't it more important how that is being discussed instead of banning every mention of it outright?

You say the reason is to up the standard of the quality of discussion here. But I'm not sure if such a blanket ban of a topic that could be worth discussing is helpful for the health of this forum or not.

There's the risk of making this forum more unbalanced with time, but I could be wrong.

There certainly are cases where bans are completely justified and you have every right to do so, but I'm not sure if an outright ban on such a fundamental discussion is the way to go.

[Basman]

47 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Yeah, I guess there's no right way of dealing with suicidal people.

 

There are definitely wrong ways. It's a problem if you act like it doesn't matter or come off as encouraging. 

Suicidality is a cry for help, so don't be a chud. That's a low bar to clear.