Women are attracted to emotional guys

[StaraX]

6 hours ago, Ulax said:

Not sure.

Except I'll restate the point about red pill being much more abstract. 

I don't know how they differ content wise.

The red pill stuff does seem like a lot of cope around avoiding cold approach though. I wouldn't be unempathetic to that if they were just honest about that. Pick up is rough.

There seems like there are more higher-ideals in pickup too. Its more lets make life epic compared to the bitterness of red pill

@Ulax Good point. From my POV, one of the biggest problems in the red pill or manosphere, in general, is the far-right aspect of them. We're talking about one of the most, if not the most, dangerous ideologies in this day and age, and I don't like the idea of blending that shit into dating.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@StaraX and sometimes it's not even the Red Pill thinking that is toxic - but the solutions people propose as a "fix" to their problems, that are the real issue.

[Schizophonia]

20 hours ago, MarkKol said:

If I were healthy I wouldn't need to use it :>

Why insisting ? If the timing is right and you have enough energy and so arousal the erection will be complete.

[Ulax]

13 hours ago, StaraX said:

@Ulax Good point. From my POV, one of the biggest problems in the red pill or manosphere, in general, is the far-right aspect of them. We're talking about one of the most, if not the most, dangerous ideologies in this day and age, and I don't like the idea of blending that shit into dating.

I can understand why you see it as dangerous. I definitely agree that a substantial amount of it is dangerous. Particularly due to hateful fiigureheads like Tate and Fresh n Fit. 

That said there is a fair amount of truth in red pill ideas, like 40% of it. If mainstream stuff keeps being delulu about how attraction works then its understandable that alternative sources will help people meet the needs. 

[Ulax]

19 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I think Red Pill is negative in that it presents disempowerment through loss of agency - "It is what it is, I have no control" are some foregone conclusions many reach. 

If a worldview repeatedly attributes outcomes mostly to forces outside our control IE biology, female hypergamy, genetics, height, race, social media, feminism, modern culture... it can shift attention away from what you can influence.

At the end of the say - what is one REALLY getting from the ideology? How useful is it to the individual?

I think this is why some aspects of PUA are overall more empowering, in general (some parts are not so good though).

'Tis like NLP reframing that one HAS control to influence outcomes.

I get what you're saying about the lack of agency. I see your point regarding the shift away from what you can influence.

That said, red pill does have a fair amount of agency too. They do focus on taking action to become a high-value guy. It isn't black pill.

[MarkKol]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

Why insisting ? If the timing is right and you have enough energy and so arousal the erection will be complete.

Going out late at night often, getting wasted, burnout from work, insomnia, being nervous first time with a girl

My first time I was literally shaking from nervousness and it was the worst thing ever

Very real things that can fuck up your situtation with a women when you're just about to get what you wanted, a simple, and safe drug like Cialis completely eliminates the problem or possibility

https://x.com/bryan_johnson/status/1904328460019077452?lang=en

Edited July 14 by MarkKol
(for simplicity's sake and staying on topic I cut out the rest of the thread)

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, Ulax said:

I get what you're saying about the lack of agency. I see your point regarding the shift away from what you can influence.

That said, red pill does have a fair amount of agency too. They do focus on taking action to become a high-value guy. It isn't black pill.

Agree there is agency in it, but ultimately because the frame lacerates out part of the systems of social reality, one is bound to run into some interesting conundrums and potential traps 🙃

[Ulax]

1 minute ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Agree there is agency in it, but ultimately because the frame lacerates out part of the systems of social reality, one is bound to run into some interesting conundrums and potential traps 🙃

Wow that was quite the poetic sentence .

And yes that is a fair point.

[Jacob Morres]

On 7/11/2026 at 2:37 AM, Leo Gura said:

a stone-cold guy

Wdym by stone-cold exactly? Like what traits/behaviors does this look like

[Optimized Life]

On 11/07/2026 at 8:37 AM, Leo Gura said:

Women are looking for a paradox: a stone-cold guy who is also very intimate and emotionally stimulating.

You are sometimes bad and imprecise with your ambiguous language and too contradictory. 

A lot of people will get confused at what you mean and draw the wrong lesson form it. 

Of people i have seen do well with women, i've rarely ever percieved them as "stone cold", if anything that sounds creepy and unapproachable 

Being emotionless or "stone cold" doesnt make you mascluine, just boring or creepy. 

If you already have muscles or height or a masculine face and a deep voice and are confident, it would only hurt your game to try and be "stone cold", it would be much better to add in some softness, approachability, emotion, smile ect.. obviously you still want to be masculine, bold, flirtatious  and dominant too ideally , but it a chill, not scary or robotic way, and id argue thats more of a bonus, being approachable and likeable is the first big threshold to cross, i dont think i ever got laid from acting "stone cold"

I'm sure you get a lot of things right about attraction in general, but sometimes you really do just suck with your language, it leaves the wrong message. 

Most truly stone cold men i have noticed are incels or divorced or something, those tough looking central European dudes who live to work and just look scary and tense .. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Optimized Life

[Optimized Life]

On 15/07/2026 at 2:46 AM, Jacob Morres said:

Wdym by stone-cold exactly? Like what traits/behaviors does this look like

Exactly, its a ridiculous and unheard of way to describe attractive masculinity, no one ever uses this word 

[Schizophonia]

On 14/07/2026 at 10:46 PM, MarkKol said:

Going out late at night often, getting wasted, burnout from work, insomnia, being nervous first time with a girl

My first time I was literally shaking from nervousness and it was the worst thing ever

Very real things that can fuck up your situtation with a women when you're just about to get what you wanted, a simple, and safe drug like Cialis completely eliminates the problem or possibility

https://x.com/bryan_johnson/status/1904328460019077452?lang=en

If you need a drug it means the girl isn't quite "right" for you and/or the timing isn't right.

[Miguel1]

Stone cold is basically just someone who is highly confident, whether via serious inner work or through narcissism. Someone who has a very strong frame and doesn’t waver from the shits girls throw at him. Someone who isn’t affected by rejections. Someone who is on their mission and doesn’t put girls on a pedestal.

As for emotionality, girls loved a guy who is ALIVE and PASSIONATE. Not for her but towards his life and mission.

[Valach]

8 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

Stone cold is basically just someone who is highly confident, whether via serious inner work or through narcissism. Someone who has a very strong frame and doesn’t waver from the shits girls throw at him. Someone who isn’t affected by rejections. Someone who is on their mission and doesn’t put girls on a pedestal.

You can be very confident and emotional as well. Those are not exclusive.

[Miguel1]

7 minutes ago, Valach said:

You can be very confident and emotional as well. Those are not exclusive.

I don’t understand how you missed my second paragraph of the comment.

[Raze]

On 7/14/2026 at 9:46 PM, Jacob Morres said:

Wdym by stone-cold exactly? Like what traits/behaviors does this look like

Gorundedness

Unreactivity

Centered

[Valach]

2 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

I don’t understand how you missed my second paragraph of the comment.

My bad, I missread that.

[Joseph Maynor]

1 hour ago, Optimized Life said:

it would be much better to add in some softness, approachability, emotion, smile ect.. obviously you still want to be masculine, bold, flirtatious  and dominant too ideally , but it a chill, not scary or robotic way, and id argue thats more of a bonus, being approachable and likeable is the first big threshold to cross

This is great advice IMO.  

[Optimized Life]

51 minutes ago, Raze said:

Gorundedness

Unreactivity

Centered

This, no one would disagree with 

But as i was pointing out, leo just saying "stone cold" would confuse a lot of people, especially newbies 

You can be an adventurous, fun, emotional (in expressiveness) charismatic guy AND be grounded, centered ect.. 

Im not saying anything new or anything but it is better when these ideas are deconstructed into simple, instantly understood components, rather than using strange terminology from an 80s swarznayger movie