Actualized.org Awakening Retreat Coming Soon

[Raze]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

You never know who the problematic people are. You should be glad that I take security seriously rather than expecting good behavior from everyone. Just because someone shows up at my retreat doesn't mean he isn't dangerous.

If you are not a scoundrel then you have nothing to fear.

Security is there for worst case scenarios.

Of course most people will be good.

The bigger issue is someone had a bad reaction then if they don’t get medical attention sue you. That’s why I’m saying to have on-site medical professionals and a lawyer draft contracts. 
 

Also some sort of insurance.

Edited 2 hours ago by Raze

[Lyubov]

I can only imagine the Connor Murphy type situation this thing is going to produce with such a lack of refinement and care behind it. Group things like this are a very serious matter. Good luck and god speed to anyone going to this thing. Don’t say I didn’t warn you all. 

[Leo Gura]

17 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

with such a lack of refinement and care behind it.

There is a lot care behind it. You are assuming things.

Just because you don't like how I worded one sentence doesn't mean care is missing.

Every potential problem is being seriously considered. There are still months left to make preparations, which I will be doing. Not everything is solved yet. This takes time.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura

[Stick]

Me and the boys after putting the new chemical up our ass: 

 

17 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

I can only imagine the Connor Murphy type situation this thing is going to produce with such a lack of refinement and care behind it. Group things like this are a very serious matter. Good luck and god speed to anyone going to this thing. Don’t say I didn’t warn you all. 

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Are there known contraindications for this substance? I am assuming it has some research and history. 

I suppose even answering may give clues you do not wish to give. Clashes with chemicals can be deadly.

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Are there known contraindications for this substance? I am assuming it has some research and history. 

I suppose even answering may give clues you do not wish to give. Clashes with chemicals can be deadly.

I will discuss that individually with those who sign up. Obviously we will do an analysis of any medications an attendee is taking to make sure there aren't any obvious problems.

There are no obvious contraindications. The chemical has been studied by science and is generally safe. But we obviously don't want to mix it with SSRIs or anti-psychotics.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura

[Grateful Dead]

Probably low-dose Salvia Divinorum.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

There are no obvious contraindications. The chemical has been studied by science and is generally safe. But we obviously don't want to mix it with SSRIs or anti-psychotics.

Indeed - I supposed the mentally healthy + mature & stable clause would screen those on anti-psyches or SSRIs. ADHD meds are a common one. Anti-anxiety meds too. 

Intake forms usually have you disclose what medications you are on, and also list medical conditions. I'd assume that's SOP for this sort of thing. Although, considering the pioneering nature of this retreat... there probably is no SOP 🙃 just identifying hazards prior to risk management.

Edited 1 hour ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Nemra]

59 minutes ago, Grateful Dead said:

Probably low-dose Salvia Divinorum.

I thought the same in the beginning.

However, there are probably legal chemicals out there that don't work like known psychedelics that you would only get from labs.

This changes everything.

Imagine legally buying those chemicals. 

Now I understand why Leo is so secretive about it.

To buy those chemicals would be to somehow get in contact with those labs that are private from the public or perhaps it is sold by known chemical manufacturers.

Edited 9 minutes ago by Nemra

[Inliytened1]

41 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

 But we obviously don't want to mix it with SSRIs or anti-psychotics.

Where is the science for this where you can say "obviously". Is this an assumption? Besides, science doesnt know everything we both know that.  Ruling someone out because they take an SSRI for lets say OCD shouldn't be a barrier provided they sign a waiver and want to take on the responsibility.   If you are ruling out anyone with any type of mental disorder I think that is narrow minded. However I understand your position.  But many people with mental disorders are actually more genetically predispositioned for.spirituality than those without.  In fact, awakening can actually provide them relief from mental disorders and either heal them completely or reduce symptoms drastically going forward.

Edited 42 minutes ago by Inliytened1

[bazera]

Good luck to everyone attending. Hopefully it will be helding in Europe too since I don't have US visa and not sure if I'll be able to get one. I'll try though. 

Thanks for doing this, hopefully everything goes well and retreats will continue in the future.

@Leo Gura I assume it will be more expensive if it's held in Europe, right?

Edited 42 minutes ago by bazera

[Leo Gura]

20 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Where is the science for this where you can say "obviously". Is this an assumption? Besides, science doesnt know everything we both know that.  Ruling someone out because they take an SSRI for lets say OCD shouldn't be a barrier

We can't know everything for sure. We are making educated guessed and erring on the side of caution.

Especially on this first retreat I want to be extra cautious and not take people who need mind-stabilizing medications just to get through their day. That is too risky.

I would rather rule someone out than harm them. Taking psychoactive substances is not suitable for everyone. Even weed is not for everyone.

15 minutes ago, bazera said:

I assume it will be more expensive if it's held in Europe, right?

Not particularly. A trip to Europe is not too expensive. Will be offset if a few more people show up. I'm not worried about the minor cost difference.

Edited 27 minutes ago by Leo Gura

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

We can't know everything for sure. We are making educated guessed and erring on the side of caution.

Especially on this first retreat I want to be extra cautious and not take people who need mind-stabilizing medications just to get through their day. That is too risky.

 

Understood. This is your first go around.   Even screenings and interviews will not be full proof.  The irony is that awakening could help someone with a mental disorder the most.  However I understand this is the pursuit of Truth not a healing endeavor. 

[bazera]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Not particularly. A trip to Europe is not too expensive. Will be offset if a few more people show up. I'm not worried about the minor cost difference.

Nice.

What would you do if you had a year or more to prepare before attending a retreat like that? Would you focus more on manual practices, try psychedelics to get a sense of altered states, or something else? Is there anything we can do to be better prepared for what might be experienced under your guidance?