Music Frame Discussion

[Human Mint]

Some jazzy stuff is also very good for contemplation mood. Something like Pat Metheny. For me is that + walking these days. I can enter into an auto-critic cycle with a good head space plus feels like walking in a movie.

[Carl-Richard]

On 24.3.2026 at 4:26 PM, Cred said:

I need to integrate my new understanding of meaning asap.

Meaning (in life) can be described by significance, purpose, coherence, mattering. But I think it extends metaphysically as well. They all boil down to how our cognition is structured and how our survival occurs at even a biological level.

Without significance, nothing has innate value (nothing has true quality or qualia, it's only just means to an end, an end which has no ground but another mean, which feels empty in itself; any endevor must inevitably point to something truly valueable, something truly real, to feel meaningful).

Purpose is means to an end, and it creates impetus, telos, movement. Organisms that move are very clear expressions of this form of meaning. If you're an organism that moves but with no purpose, you will struggle to know where to move and your movement will be inhibited and you will feel like you're not "going anywhere"; the moving organism needs to move to be truly alive.

Coherence means that the "movement" (be it abstract in the realm of mind or concretely in the realm of physical movement) makes sense, it coheres to an environment, it coheres to a set of conditions, it follows logically.

Mattering is simply do all of these things transcend merely my own self in their value, do they matter to something bigger than myself (e.g. my species in terms of biological reproduction or simply more abstractly in terms of the collective survival of the species or somebody or something I love or care about)?

 

 

Edited March 25 by Carl-Richard

[Cred]

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

"going anywhere"; the moving organism needs to move to be truly alive.

Yes arbitrary movement causes destructive interference and with that, non-existence. Both on the wave and on the macro scale.

Therefore, coherence on every level of granularity is a necessary condition for existence. What is that? Meaning.

It's interesting that you used the term "mattering". If you think about it, mattering is the necessary condition for matter. What is matter? Particles. What are particles? Wave. What is the necessary condition for the existence of the wave? The field. What is field? Meaning.

This is of course one way to look at reality but in my head it is COHERENT

[Cred]

@Carl-RichardThis is Vervaeke right?

I agree that purpose, coherence, significance, connectedness are crutial to meaning, but I'm describing and ordering these terms in a very perculiar and extremely precise and specific way.

I am currently experimenting with numerology by assigning numbers to different aspects of being with the goal of using these as building blocks to build more complex aspects of being.

I'm trying to find 101 (100 + 0) of these building blocks which right now I call "traces". If you are interested to know which they are, follow the development of my journal where I post most of my thought process every day:

Entry March.23.3.5 is most relevant.

 

Meaning, purpose, coherence, significance, connectedness in the trace ontology.

Meaning 
    = 12 
    = "second manifestation of the continuum"

11 = Idea

Continuum = 10

Purpose
    = dharma
    = path
    = telos
    = 40

Fun fact: 
Kleos 
    = "last step of the path"
    = 49

Fun fact nr. 2: 50 = sunyata.

Coherence
    might be complexity-resonance
    = 30-45 = 3045

Significance
    might be 49 actually
    could also be 48
    = potenciality.

49 is "manifested potence" so weather significance is 48 or 49 depends on weather it is implies manifestation or not.

Connectedness
    is spacial-resonance
    = 2345

Connection requires seperation but not fragmentation nor unity. That's why space = 212246 = unity-duality-harmony = 23 is an important part.

Edited March 24 by Cred

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I find there are 3 different things I am attempting to do when I listen to music - all are to enhance, alter, or have an experience just for itself.

• Listen for pure auditory sensation, analysis, pleasure, discernment to induce whatever state may come. Here I am seeking JUST the auditory experience and remove all other senses. Close my eyes. Still. 
• Listen and select in an attempt to amplify/mirror or somehow assist me in expressing a mood, or emptying a mood/feeling/emotion by using music to dive deeper into it. Music to help articulate what state I am already in. I do not want to change my mood/state/emotion/feeling. I want to deepen it. Supplement another sense experience.
• Listen & select in an attempt to induce an altered state/mood/feeling/emotion based on what the music itself can induce in me. I am seeking to be influenced to change my mood/state/feeling/emotion. Supplement another sense experience.

This then touches on each person receptivity to novel auditory experience. 

Depending on my own receptivity, music will play a different role.

Edited March 25 by Natasha Tori Maru

[Rigel]

9 hours ago, Human Mint said:

Some jazzy stuff is also very good for contemplation mood. Something like Pat Metheny. For me is that + walking these days. I can enter into an auto-critic cycle with a good head space plus feels like walking in a movie.

I love that guy so much

[Carl-Richard]

16 hours ago, Human Mint said:

On 24.3.2026 at 2:20 AM, Carl-Richard said:

Sometimes the song title matches a lot with the song:

 

It makes me think of a monstrous massive thing (turns out the lyrics is actually about a city, I didn't know that before now 🙂).

I saw them live last year. I could not stop nodding my head to the music. I never thought I would end up enjoying that kind of music. My signature is like a Meshuggah lyric.

It's un-non-noddable once you get the song. And of course that can be a challenge because the way they write the songs is more like deriving a mathematical formula than "playing from the soul" as they say (which has pros and cons, but damn, sometimes it's just beautiful).

They essentially write their music as if it's electronic music and then they play it on their instruments (they use a drum machine and try to find an odd-time rhytmical pattern that they repeat in a certain way over a straight time signature, and that's their creative process most of the time; so much for "nobody buys a song for its rhythm" 🤪).

And can I just say the massive cojones it takes to perform that particular song live with the whole band playing at the same time in the studio and that being used for the album (of course while splicing together the best parts from multiple performances, but still)? These guys are tighter than a box of sardines. Let me re-iterate: the sounds you are hearing in this particular YouTube video is the entire band playing live.

Edited March 25 by Carl-Richard

[integral]

Music preference is like sexual orientation.   

I think people are not serious enough about music preference.

Two people with different music preferences are experiencing silence differently.

They're experiencing life differently, it's a different frame and wiring.

Edited March 25 by integral

[Human Mint]

10 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

They essentially write their music as if it's electronic music and then they play it on their instruments (they use a drum machine and try to find an odd-time rhytmical pattern that they repeat in a certain way over a straight time signature, and that's their creative process most of the time; so much for "nobody buys a song for its rhythm" 🤪).

I love their consistency and integrity within their art, very committed. That album is one of my favorites, besides Koloss.

40 minutes ago, integral said:

Music preference is like sexual orientation.   

I think people are not serious enough about music preference.

Two people with different music preferences are experiencing silence differently.

They're experiencing life differently, it's a different frame and wiring.

Probably more like food taste. I hated olives when I was young but now I like them. Something similar can happen to music. Is very common to outgrow certain music style as you exhaust it. 

Imagine that happening with sexual orientation... haha.

[Miguel1]

I know I havent said anything here for days, but that’s because I have been working on an art project!

For me, deeply painful and emotional music is one of the most beautiful music to dance and express myself to. It is so raw and genuine.

Here is my latest art piece doing so. Allow it to slowly build, as it is real artistic story, and not an instagram trend.

The writing/caption really complements it.

Headphones for the full immersive experience.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DWUS1tBAhRd/?igsh=MTFvbGFnbGprbWFmMw==

And show some love to your boy!

Edited March 25 by Miguel1

[integral]

1 hour ago, Human Mint said:

Is very common to outgrow certain music style as you exhaust it. 

Imagine that happening with sexual orientation... haha.

Thats true lmao

[Nemra]

@Miguel1, you've got moves!

Edited March 25 by Nemra

[Miguel1]

10 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Miguel1, you've got moves!

Brother, you missed the essence of the performance if that’s all you got!

[Nemra]

2 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

Brother, you missed the essence of the performance if that’s all you got!

It was emotional. The song choice was great.

Edited March 25 by Nemra

[Miguel1]

23 minutes ago, Nemra said:

It was emotional. The song choice was great.

Thank you.

[Joshe]

3 hours ago, integral said:

Two people with different music preferences are experiencing silence differently.

What they want the silence to become biases their music choice.

[Human Mint]

4 hours ago, Miguel1 said:

I know I havent said anything here for days, but that’s because I have been working on an art project!

For me, deeply painful and emotional music is one of the most beautiful music to dance and express myself to. It is so raw and genuine.

Here is my latest art piece doing so. Allow it to slowly build, as it is real artistic story, and not an instagram trend.

The writing/caption really complements it.

Headphones for the full immersive experience.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DWUS1tBAhRd/?igsh=MTFvbGFnbGprbWFmMw==

And show some love to your boy!

Is that improvised? Very nice

[Miguel1]

3 hours ago, Human Mint said:

Is that improvised? Very nice

Half structured and half improvised. I prepare the structure and sequences and have some ideas for key moves to express the music but the rest I allow my body to do what it feels.

Thank you! What do you like about it?

[Human Mint]

8 hours ago, Miguel1 said:

Thank you! What do you like about it?

Well it makes me appreciate more that kind of music (speaking of music styles). It is like a videoclip and I can link the music to real and raw human emotions.

[Miguel1]

On 26/03/2026 at 1:38 PM, Human Mint said:

Well it makes me appreciate more that kind of music (speaking of music styles). It is like a videoclip and I can link the music to real and raw human emotions.

Yeah, that’s a great point! I often hear that my dancing brings the music alive and people start seeing the music completely differently and hear things they didn’t hear otherwise. And I love that, as that’s the whole point of dancing to me: expressing what the music makes me feel.

Appreciate the feedback brother.