Music Frame Discussion

[integral]

22 hours ago, Cred said:

Damn you guys need to chill with your "I'm sO anTi cOrrUptIon thAt I cAn'T liStEn to rAp".

I love rap and I don't really give much of a shit about what they rap about.

If I did not have rap a massive chunk of my happiness would be gone. There are just certain moods where rap works just perfectly to amplify that mood, feel alive and dance.

Also I think the movement of rappers is genius. The way they dance. It is both powerful, but also relaxed. It can be argued that this is a superior way of movement from the daoist perspective. You cannot have power without weakness. In the same way, you cannot have strength without relaxation.

You cannot tell me this isn't a form of true power. The power of not giving a damn.

If I didn't have metal, dubstep, rap, I would be significantly less powerful.

I think you're removing the red values from the rap which is wise and not identifying with its values.

Your using rap's nervous system state, that loose, confident, don't-give-a-fuck physicality, as a tool.

Edited 16 hours ago by integral

[integral]

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This is the map (incomplete)
 

Layer 1: Nervous system state. This is the raw physiological effect — what the music does to your body regardless of what the lyrics say or what culture surrounds it. Rap puts you in a loose, confident, rhythmically grounded state. Metal puts you in high-arousal aggressive activation. Leo's chill house puts you in a calm, spacious, gently emotional drift. This is what Cred was isolating when he said he doesn't care about lyrics — he wants the body state.

Layer 2: The reality frame / fantasy. (Metaphysics) This is the deepest and most interesting one. Once the music has you in a specific nervous system state, it's essentially showing you how reality could feel. And you're choosing to inhabit that version. Disney / John Williams puts you in a state of childlike wonder where the world is grand, heroic, meaningful, and safe — reality is an adventure with a happy ending. Metal puts you in a state where reality is intense, overwhelming, raw, and you're powerful enough to face it head-on. Leo's music puts you in a state where reality is beautiful, impermanent, and gently dissolving — mono no aware.

Layer 3: Culture and identity. This is the most visible layer. Rap has a whole lifestyle, aesthetic, fashion, attitude attached to it. Country has one. Metal has one. When people say "I'm a metalhead" or someone's whole personality is hip-hop, they're living in this layer. It's tribal. It's who you are in the social world.

Layer 4: Temporal orientation. Music places you in a specific relationship with time. Nostalgic music pulls you backward — you're living in what was. Hype music and EDM drops slam you into the immediate present — there's only now. Epic orchestral stuff like John Williams pulls you forward into what's coming, what's possible. Leo's music sits in a strange place where time feels like it's slowly passing through you — present tense but with awareness of fading. Your relationship with time completely changes depending on what you're listening to, and most people don't notice they're being repositioned.

Layer 5: Social orientation. Music implicitly tells you who you are relative to other people. Rap often positions you as above — dominant, untouchable. Sad indie music positions you as alone and feeling deeply. Anthemic rock positions you as part of a collective — arms in the air together. Leo's atmospheric stuff positions you as a solitary observer watching beauty unfold. Worship music positions you as small before something vast. This isn't about the culture layer — it's about where the music places you in relation to the world while you're inside it.

Layer 6: Relationship to control. Some music gives you the feeling of total command — tight beats, predictable structure, you know exactly what's coming. Other music surrenders control — jazz improvisation, experimental electronic, psychedelic music that dissolves structure. Metal is interesting because it's chaos that's actually extremely controlled. Leo's predictable harmonic structure that integral identified is a choice to stay in a controlled, safe dissolution — letting go but within guardrails.

Layer 7: What's sacred. This might be the deepest one. Every musical world has an implicit answer to what matters most. In blues it's suffering and endurance. In gospel it's transcendence and redemption. In punk it's authenticity and refusal. In Leo's music it's beauty and awareness. In metal it's power and confrontation with darkness. Whatever genre you're drawn to is quietly telling you what you hold as sacred.

Leo's extremely narrow musical range means he's choosing one very specific metaphysics of experience over and over.

Edited 15 hours ago by integral

[Miguel1]

11 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I've listened to most of your playlists - for me your music taste is 'driving down the open road, windows down. Long, warm & balmy night, wind in my hair, thinking as the lights and roads weave by' vibes. Chill, linear, calm mellow thoughts that stretch the depths. Dunno how else to describe the vibe but this is closest for me. I really enjoy your music. My overall taste just has a huge span. 

Well articulated.

It’s good for a more chill, relaxed + upbeat vibe. Just enough energy to push contemplation but doesn’t distract it.

Edited 15 hours ago by Miguel1

[Willie]

Genres?

https://m.soundcloud.com/willcomusic/literally-fuck-genres-harder

[Oppositionless]

Cosmic goth lmao 

Edited 9 hours ago by Oppositionless