Transcending Ego is a spiritual self-deception

[Davino]

I wanna warn fellow travellers about this trap I've myself fallen for. It's becoming more and more clear to me that the spiritual dogma of getting rid of the ego is profoundly neurotic, problematic, deceitful and a hindrance for reaching the most holistic Awakenings.

What will happen as you walk this path is a deeper connection with your self, the whole narrative of ego creates distance and unconsciousness from yourself. You deny yourself, you criticise yourself, you change yourself, but you always ARE yourself. Higher Awakenings are about being yourself, becoming more aware of every corner of your psyche and infusing it with profound Love, acceptance and Infinite Self-embracement.

Work with that for some time, if what has been stated is already realised and you wanna go a step further continue reading. You will eventually see that ego is nothing but a fancy word for the I and then you realise that this I you wanted to get rid of, it's God, making it such a delicious twisted self-deception to see through and a profound reconnection into self-awareness, Self-Love and innate Awake Divinity.

Edited 8 hours ago by Davino

[Eskilon]

@Davino I think this is a nuanced and dangerous point.

In the east traditions(the most high quality ones) transcending was never about denying oneself or restraining oneself. It was about doing stuff with Awareness and to understand deeply all your most fervent human desires.

The traditions didnt say for you to abandon or restrain lust or power. But to do this stuff with awareness, see its illusory and transient nature. The Ego wont last Death's visit, so the wise one goes for Death.

The traditions was trying to point to people that, while sex, power and money is good, it is not the ultimate gold. They were trying to get people to understand Death -- essentialy. Transcending sex, power and money might be self-deception, but not understanding Death is an even deeper one in my view(And I say this while still not grasping what Death is, but I see the importance of it because its the only certainty one have in life).

I think balance is key, you need to deeply enjoy the ego, but at the same time trying to understand it and go beyond it. 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by Eskilon

[Joshe]

Bingo! 

[Sincerity]

@Davino Do you believe that a permanent shift in awareness towards no-self is possible? Why yes/no?

Of course it's not about denial, rejections or any of that. I think it's moreso about embracing the want to become fully aware of the mind's "self"-orientation. IF you experience that want! It's fun then! Otherwise no.

Both are true:

• There is no "me", there are no "selves"
• I AM, I am God, Everything is Me

[Davino]

57 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

@Davino Do you believe that a permanent shift in awareness towards no-self is possible? Why yes/no?

It's a tricky question

What do you refer by no-self?

1 hour ago, Sincerity said:

Both are true:

• There is no "me", there are no "selves"
• I AM, I am God, Everything is Me

Yes

[Oppositionless]

I thought it was just about realizing the ego is an appearance within consciousness, not the owner of consciousness. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Oppositionless

[Hojo]

You can transend ego and still use it. You do that by not reacting to it and just let it do its thing. The second you have a reaction to something youve said you know thats where you need to accept and turn non reactive to yourself. This is why the woke mind virus is a terrible thing, its putting people in positions where they constantly have to react negatively towards their ego. This is the complete opposite of what you want to do. If your ego wants to say retarded it should do so freely. If it wants to be racist it should do so freely. If it wants to tell mom or dad to fuck off it should do so freely. Its the reactions to these things that cause you to get lost in ego. You are perfect in every way so stop acting like you are not. This is transcendence of ego.

There are so many people on this server that do not understand this and are constantly virtue signalling totally blinded by their spiritual ego, its actually very strange they think they know something about ego but are still in it.

Dont do this

Dont do that

Be better, bitch God is creating me perfectly.

BS

Do and say what you want, just don't resort to violence. And if you resorted to violence God intended it.

There is nothing negative about saying Im the smartest, Im the best, Im the most perfect. If someone responds saying you are being egoic thats their problem. If someone is insulted by that, thats their problem.

Edited 2 hours ago by Hojo

[Joseph Maynor]

People have told me that they are unconditioned and have no ego -- and I've heard people say this about others too.  E.g., so and so is coming from a place of no ego.  

[Sincerity]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

It's a tricky question

What do you refer by no-self?

I guess a dropping of the "self" construct for good. Associated with eg. a dropping of any feeling of centeredness.

I wouldn't know because I'm not there yet as a baseline. But I'm "working" towards it. And it "happened to" my best friend, actually. 😃 There are other people's accounts too, obviously.

(I just asked him to confirm whether that 2nd picture resonates with him most. I guessed correctly 😛)