Absolutley stunned by the mindlessness of academic philosophy / daniel dennet

[emil1234]

I'm in the midst of writing my writing my finishing university project, and i've long been wanting to make a post about the absolutley insanely low degree of consciousness of academic philosophy

My project is a first hand report of Chris Baches' LSD and the mind of the universe. im contrasting it with daniel Dennets' materialism - and now I realize that there is a pretty wide consensus among academic philosophers, that qualia, subjective experience or actual Consciousness, does not exist? Like what the Fuck? How can this be real?

This guy Dennet is supposedly highly regarded within academia, but he seemingly dismisses Consciousness as an illusion, since it does not appear to have a mechanistic function, which is a necessity for his materialistic mechanistic world view. Consciousness which is literally the only thing that absolutley non-disputabley exists.

Academic philosophy stands tall for me, as a symbol of the limits of intellectual rationality. The amount of over complexified conceptual models philosophers make to no use, about absolutley ridicolus and useless topics. 

Also; Do you have any nice ideas / input / arguments against materialism / FOR psychedelic idealism  on how i might contrast psychedelic insights with materialism? I've made a complete account of Chris Baches' psychedelic excursions, basically Leos world view, and I'm now about to contrast it with Dennets' materialism. Input would be very appreciated <3  

Edited 17 hours ago by emil1234

[Inliytened1]

There was an episode of Leo's and I dont remember which.  But he stood baffled.   Absolutely baffled that no one else understands this stuff.  And to me its absolutely beyond baffling.  That a you tuber has to be the one to teach this stuff.  Its mind boggling.  But it is a culture paradigm locked.

[Inliytened1]

49 minutes ago, emil1234 said:

I'm in the midst of writing my writing my finishing university project, and i've long been wanting to make a post about the absolutley insanely low degree of consciousness of academic philosophy

My project is a first hand report of Chris Baches' LSD and the mind of the universe. im contrasting it with daniel Dennets' materialism - and now I realize that there is a pretty wide consensus among academic philosophers, that qualia, subjective experience or actual Consciousness, does not exist? Like what the Fuck? How can this be real?

This guy Dennet is supposedly highly regarded within academia, but he seemingly dismisses Consciousness as an illusion, since it does not appear to have a mechanistic function, which is a necessity for his materialistic mechanistic world view. Consciousness which is literally the only thing that absolutley non-disputabley exists.

Academic philosophy stands tall for me, as a symbol of the limits of intellectual rationality. The amount of over complexified conceptual models philosophers make to no use, about absolutley ridicolus and useless topics. 

Also; Do you have any nice ideas / input on how i might contrast psychedelic insights with materialism? I've made a complete account of Chris Baches' psychedelic excursions, basically Leos world view, and I'm now about to contrast it with Dennets' materialism. Input would be very appreciated <3  

Your paper will be frowned upon no different than Copernicus was frowned upon when he said the sun went around the earth.  Stick to your guns and write the paper that Consciousness is fundamental.  You know the Truth whether your philosopher professor doesn't is immaterial.  So write it.  You will never be able to debunk materialism in the eyes of university but it shouldn't stop you.  At least they won't crucify you.

Edited 20 hours ago by Inliytened1

[emil1234]

@Inliytened1 it is absolutley unconceivable to me how someone can deny the existence of consciousness. and these academics are supposed to be the frontier of truth seeking in the modern world

[Joseph Maynor]

What we need is a world philosophy department that integrates all the philosophies. 

[Leo Gura]

Group-think is a much more potent force than anyone appreciates.

[Alexop]

these materialistic people are very toxic, try to stay away. If you don't follow their rules. their definitions of words, their paradigm, they mock you directly or indirectly like children. Their mind is closed.

[Hojo]

It dosent exist in material reality. So the materialist is right there. Its just that he's denying that he dosent exist to do the philosophy too. He would say im real, but then there is more to the story and your qualia is experienced beyond materialism so then materialism crumbles right there.

If he denies he exists and its just material then slap him around and when he tells you to stop then don't until he admits he's there to experience some sort of qualia.

Science itself denies that the scientist exists and they are too stupid to see this massive contradiction.

You will often hear materialism say im just electricity in the brain. Who's controlling the electricity? I can tell you to think of something and you will does that mean I am in control of your electricity in your brain? No thats not the case there is something else in control that is not the electricity and not the brain.

If you threatened the life of a materialist they will get scared. Why are you scared if you dont even exist retard. They will say I want to keep living. What wants to keep living? Electricity in the brain? Electricity dosent care if it gets slapped around or killed. Thats like saying the power in your computer will fight or scream before you turn the power off. 

You can do this with every single part of a human the body the mind and you will always come up with thats not me. Thats because 'me dosent exist in material reality its literally in a higher dimension looking down into material reality. The self is not 3 dimensional. Its like 12 dimensional or more. All the way down to 0 dimensional.

A yogi is more materialist then a scientist if you pointed a gun at a yogis face he wouldn't flinch cause he knows he's not there.

A scientist would cry and beg for his life that he himself denies.

Edited 13 hours ago by Hojo

[Oppositionless]

@Hojo material reality is a way for consciousness to invent an explanation for the Absolute

[Hojo]

@Oppositionless Or a way to deny it.

[VeganAwake]

What is consciousness for you?

Is it being self aware?

Are you referring to all apparent reality as being consciousness?

Is a dream or a thought or a hallucination consciousness also?

Do you consider all living organisms to be conscious such as a flower or a worm or a mushroom?

Is someone that's in a coma or brain dead conscious? 

What happens to apparent consciousness when the physical body dies? 

[Jodistrict]

If you follow the model of scientific materialism, it is actually non dualistic.  A group of objects in the universe aggregate together and become aware.  That small part of the universe is the universe being aware of itself.  That small part of the universe is you – the seer.  Since the objects are aware of the objects of the universe, the seer and seen are one.  Hence nonduality.  That conclusion comes from the scientific model plus the basic observation that we are aware. 

The materialistic philosopher says that since all is objects (or material), the seer doesn’t exist.  But the seer does exist.   Rather than do real philosophy, the materialists take the lazy way out and call the seer an epiphenomenon.  Hence, they casually dismiss what is most intimate to their own experience. 

The ancient rishis found that the truth can only be realized beyond the intellectual mind.   The Pre-Socratic Greek philosophers were closer to the views of the Indian rishis in the pursuit of truth through experiential realization beyond the intellectual mind.  Academic philosophy has gone backwards building complicated technical models rather than serious inquiry into what is important. 

[Hojo]

@emil1234Denying consciousness is denying God. Science is the devil.

[Breathe]

12 hours ago, emil1234 said:

Do you have any nice ideas / input / arguments against materialism

Consider quantum mechanics. You can also bring eastern wisdom (Buddhism) into the mix.

The universe is always appearing and disappearing (anicca) and is dependent on consciousness to exist

You could also focus on the automatic nature of mind (anatta)., If we don't have control over our thoughts coming and going how could we possibly know if the content of those thoughts was actually true.

[Basman]

I always knew that academia doesn't have monopoly on what constitutes philosophy. Nothing stops you from just contemplating stuff. Jumping through their hoops is just groupthink. 

[Rodrigo Costa]

In science and academia power always comes first. Truth only stands when it convenes power narratives.

It seems to me, however, that there might be a distinction to be made between the consciousness that is reflected through the normal human state of mind and other non-human kinds of conscious awareness.

Information flows forever, non-existence doesn't exist. But, in relative terms, it seems true that the things we describe from NDE, psychedelics (5meo-dmt) and deep meditation are a translation of signals. And the normal human consciousness might not really exist in these altered states of mind.

Edited 1 hour ago by Rodrigo Costa