Is an obedient wife better?

[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, Lila9 said:

Obedience is a masculine energy

Obedience is not gendered.
Men like to obey to feel that they are strong; women like to obey out of submission.

Edited 15 hours ago by Schizophonia

[Lila9]

5 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Obedience is not gendered.
Men like to obey to feel that they are strong; women like to obey out of submission.

Women are socially pressured to obey because this is what patriarchy perceives as being feminine, but this is not femininity per se.

Men obey more powerful men because this is how they learned to build trust and relationships with them.

 

[Schizophonia]

Just now, Lila9 said:

Women are socially pressured to obey because this is what patriarchy perceives as being feminine, but this is not femininity per se.

Femininity is lack/powerlessness.
The female genitalia are literally a void to be filled; men are also taller and much more muscular.
You speak of patriarchy but that's simply the basic social organization among most great apes; the great ape that Homo sapiens most closely resembles is the chimpanzee and it too is broadly a patriarchy.

Men like submissive women; there are men who like the opposite but they tend to be less androgenic phenotypes.

Just now, Lila9 said:

Men obey more powerful men because this is how they learned to build trust and relationships with them.

 

No, unless they're homosexual men don't like obeying other men.
In the military men don't obey out of submission to a strongman; they do it because successfully obeying military orders makes them feel tough and effective.

[Lila9]

4 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Femininity is lack/powerlessness.
The female genitalia are literally a void to be filled; men are also taller and much more muscular.
You speak of patriarchy but that's simply the basic social organization among most great apes; the great ape that Homo sapiens most closely resembles is the chimpanzee and it too is broadly a patriarchy.

Men like submissive women; there are men who like the opposite but they tend to be less androgenic phenotypes.

No, unless they're homosexual men don't like obeying other men.
In the military men don't obey out of submission to a strongman; they do it because successfully obeying military orders makes them feel tough and effective.

Female genitalia is a womb, a void, a dark space. Dark space is nothingness, it is the soil on which everything can grow and be created. INFINITE potential.

This is literally the most powerful thing. Without it, there is no life.

If the womb creates life, then the breasts feed it. There is so much power in the feminine, given by nature. You can build the most technologically advanced city, but without mothers giving birth, it is pointless. It is a ghost city.

Just because men are taller and more muscular does not mean that they are entitled to control women.

The natural purpose of the male physique is to be an aid to the life created, not those who destroy it. 

Patriarchy is not the basic social organization, it is unnatural. It opposes nature.

It fights against it. It creates artificial hierarchy and suffering. It is fueled by insecurity and fragile egos rather than truth, love, and wisdom.

Natural social organization does not oppose nature the way patriarchy does. It does not destroy it. It lives in alignment with nature.

It does not create poverty, it does not rape women and children, and it does not protect male superiority at the expense of anything valuable.

Men who like submissive women are usually insecure and have fragile egos. They hate femininity, because they have indoctrinated under patriarchy to hate it. They can only accept femininity when it's castrated, non intimidating to their ego.

NPC type patriarchy constricted femininity. Which is actually masculinity in disguise. 

Men gladly obey other men, even if those men are morally corrupt and delusional. Men obey patriarchy and never deconstruct it, even if it kills them. This is the highest level of obedience. It is foolishness.

[Sincerity]

47 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Femininity is lack/powerlessness.

That's a terrible way to look at it. No offense.

Femininity is incredible power. Just not as blunt as that of a man.

Feminine power is based in attracting. While masculine power is based in directed will, "conquest". Both are outstanding forces.

[Sincerity]

4 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

Femininity is incredible power.

This is all the elaboration needed.  You don't call this lack.

Edited 13 hours ago by Sincerity

[Basman]

Submissiveness is an emotional state whereas obedience is ideological. Obedience implies the relationship is fundamentally unequal and goes hand in hand with patriarchal cultures. Any old school conservative society with more specialized gender roles will ideologically value obedience in women, like Muslim society or 1950s America.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I'm convinced most of the ignorant dialogue here is purely from inexperience.

What you think you want is never what you need. What you think you are attracted to is typically not what you find is best for you. 

Get off the internet, forums and social media.

[OmniNaut]

Don't see masculine and feminine as tied to a gender, see it as an energy. This misrepresentation gets misused and warped by stage SD Red / Blue / Orange all the time. The goal is not separation of energy into genders, it's about integration.

A man integrates the Anima (feminine) energy while also stay to true his masculinity, and for a woman it's about integrating the Animus (masculine) energy while staying true to her femineity.

Once you realise energy is different from gender then a lot of problems associated with this topic will disappear. You can be a man who creates a safe space for a woman to let her feminine energy shine, and a woman who works together with a man towards a set goal. 

It can be the other way also. A woman who is more set in her masculine energy can create a safe space for a man who is more set in his feminine energy. 

With this approach the LBTQI+ will also be integrated because in a same sex relationship you can have someone who is more dominant in masculine energy and someone who is more dominant in feminine energy.

This is a more SD Green approach, I know, the problem with SD Green is forcing it as the only narrative that is right and being anti tradition roles.  It's not about integration perspectives, but just forcing a new one upon society. You can still have traditional roles if you look at it from an energy point of view.

Once you have a relationship were both partners fully embraced their Masculine and Feminine energy the relationship dynamics can be much more fluid. Switching depending on the situation. That's more of a 2nd tier approach.

Social media culture is so twisted nowadays, that it's a constant stream on this forum (especially the Dating section) of correcting the misguided views of the people here (pick-up and red pill culture mostly). I find it tiring, I can't imagine how tiring it is for the women on this forum.
But I do agree with @Natasha Tori Maru here. Get offline, go into the real world. I would add to that. Explore the world and break down those social media world views.

In the Netherlands we have a saying: "De soep wordt nooit zo heet gegeten als hij wordt opgediend". 
Literal translation: '"The soup is never eaten as hot as it is served". Meaning: Things are usually not as bad as they (first) seem.

The cure is question (your own and cultural) assumptions, broaden your experiences.

Edited 11 hours ago by OmniNaut

[Schizophonia]

10 hours ago, Sincerity said:

That's a terrible way to look at it. No offense.

Femininity is incredible power. Just not as blunt as that of a man.

Feminine power is based in attracting. While masculine power is based in directed will, "conquest". Both are outstanding forces.

I'll reply to the @Lila9's post here at the same time.

When I talk about powerlessness; I am not talking about motor and emotional strength, in which case girls are indeed as powerful as men if they are in good physical and mental health.

There are women who are crushed, who keep their mouths shut and are beaten by their husbands, but of course that is an anomaly and it's agender; there are also men who are beaten/crushed by their wives or other men even if the other way is certainly more probable; and ofc to want to harm your girlfriend you must be a sociopath.

What I'm simply saying is that women tend to be more obedient, to go with the flow; it's in their anatomy, in their appreciation of humor, in their way of loving.

That doesn't mean women aren't creative or don't like discovering and sharing things; it's just a preference, an inclination.

 

The heart of the genre is the relationship to the phallus that I described in my previous topic (I plan to make a larger and more refined V2 soon)

What I mean by powerlessness is identification with limits, with negativity (not even in the perorative sense, but in the raw/mathematical sense of the term).

Women start from the imaginary and descend back into reality, what Lacan would call the symbolic order, while men do the opposite; symbolism prevails.

To illustrate imagine you want to buy a coffee table.

If you say, "Okay, my current coffee table is already fine (the current coffee table), but the other one looks cool, so I'll work, go to IKEA, and buy it," you're simply shifting your attention to your current table before changing it and then shifting your attention to the new one once it's physically there.

This way of approaching desire is masculinizing.

However from the moment you shift your attention to the new table before you even have it (you ruminate on the fact that you should have a new table before you actually have it, you constantly look at the IKEA catalog (obsessive-compulsive disorder/Asperger's syndrome can lead to feminizing tendencies because of this pattern) etc.), then you're no longer in the realm of the symbolic but in the realm of the imaginary, which is feminizing.

This is something you can experience for yourself. For 48 hours, try to inhibit negative beliefs when they arise; suspend this imaginary of what should be there but isn't (the phallus) and simply do what you want to do or should do; even when you're walking down the street ask yourself, "How does Sincerity like to move his member, because it's comfortable/fun?" You will:

-Become sexually dominant, see much more; immediately eliminate all fetishes that go against this.

-Become naturally more sociable, do more activities; strive to be a physical leader.

-To be more physically powerful.

-To stop wanting to listen to girly music (If the concept of self lacks lack, then you will no longer reason with this kind of music; the same goes for all the sad stuff or phonk music; it's ultimately more like music for submissive people from what i feel).

Edited 3 hours ago by Schizophonia