Can "stupid" pursue awakening?

[Eskilon]

28 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Gotta drop the belief in psychedelics as a means to increased consciousness, too.

Gotta drop the belief that it doesnt increase consciousness.

Edited 16 hours ago by Eskilon

[nerdspeak]

58 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes.

However, low development means it will easily get misinterpreted as some belief system or bias one holds, like a Christian seeing Jesus.

Low dev minds tend to have many conformist beliefs which will cloud the psychedelic experience.

Are you intelligent enough to drop all your beliefs? If you are, then you are smart enough for this work.

I always get Catholic imagery at the beginning of my trips. Virgin Mary, stigmata, etc. My friend who is Japanese gets lots of sacred geometry. 

I guess the trick is not seeing it as evidence these things have any metaphysical truth.

 

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, nerdspeak said:

I guess the trick is not seeing it as evidence these things have any metaphysical truth.

It is Truth. The Truth of Infinite Imagination.

[UnbornTao]

9 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

Gotta drop the belief that it doesnt increase consciousness.

Belief?

[Eskilon]

2 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Belief?

Yes. It does increase consciousness. Maybe not for you if you are those 0000.1% that it doesnt change anything, but otherwise it does.

[Nemra]

@nerdspeak, what do you think is the reason for seeing those images?

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@nerdspeak, what do you think is the reason for seeing those images?

God will speak you using whatever symbols your mind relates to best.

If you love dicks, God will appear to you as a dick.

God is your own mind grasping itself. So of course it will use whatever symbols it knows best.

You are self-representing yourself to yourself.

Edited 16 hours ago by Leo Gura

[UnbornTao]

19 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

Yes. It does increase consciousness. Maybe not for you if you are those 0000.1% that it doesnt change anything, but otherwise it does.

Okay, we have a different notion of what it means to increase consciousness.

[Nemra]

@Leo Gura, my sense phenomena get weird when I start tripping, e.g., geometrical shapes form that I couldn't even imagine, melting sensations, etc.

Is it possible that my mind likes or relates to the idea of weirdness, and then uses that to grasp itself?

 

Edited 14 hours ago by Nemra

[Terell Kirby]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Are you intelligent enough to drop all your beliefs?

Through this work- I have come to appreciate the intelligence behind the self deception required to hold a belief system.

God constructs belief system for a specific purpose, similar to dressing up in a costume for Halloween. 

[nerdspeak]

@Nemra I think it’s like Leo said.
 

I will add that the visuals seem to echo your early childhood cultural and religious indoctrination in most cases. I went to Catholic kindergarten and got a lot of this imagery; my Japanese friend’s parents took him to esoteric Buddhist temples on Mount Koya in Japan. Some people claim it’s even genetic (non-practicing Jews who never went to synagogue getting lots of kabbalistic imagery) but idk about that, alternative explanations (like just knowing you are Jewish is probably enough to trigger that imagery).

Edited 15 hours ago by nerdspeak

[Nemra]

@nerdspeak, maybe my kindergarten wasn't as religious as yours. Although, I attended church.

[Yimpa]

When the nerds peak, they win a brilliancy prize.

[Nemra]

@Leo Gura, I wanted to know whether or not it's because of religious indoctrination or for other reasons.

It's interesting that even if you aren't a Christian, you can still unknowingly relate to Christian symbols to grasp yourself.

[Schizophonia]

You’re already infinitely stupid and still able to awake. 🫨

[Breakingthewall]

9 hours ago, AION said:

All people are born with that innocence and pure heartedness. And most people lose that because of betrayal and suffering. But some people actually manage to maintain that seed of God consciousness. And you can see it in theirs eyes. The eyes never lie. 

Innocence and pure heartness needs a strong structure to be sustained. Life is war, relationship are war, work is war, everything is war, if that innocent person doesn't know it, he's just an idiot who's going to be crushed again and again. 

[Carl-Richard]

Anybody can pursue awakening. Whether you progress depends on your will, your intensity, your obsessiveness, your integrity, your authenticity, your inspiration, your devotion, your love. Intellect can help with using some tools. And don't underestimate your intellect. Often what people think is intellect is just knowledge.

There is a psychological phenomenon I've identified where you feel less smart than somebody else when they talk about something you don't know about, but when you talk to them about something you do know about, you suddenly see that it was a lack of knowledge, not intellect that made you feel less smart.

Or you might be called "smart" during a group assignment in school if you're one of the only people in the group who actually read the chapter before the group assignment and could understand what the assignment was about, even if you're at a similar level of intelligence and they could've understood it the same had they read it.

Or professors who talk fast and with impressive language even though it's sometimes hard to follow are called "smart", maybe just because you have to think very hard to understand them, vs. an equally as impressive professor in terms of intellect who tries very hard to make themselves understood can come off as much less intimidating and less "smart".

Although, yes, there are cases where you can talk to somebody where you understand everything they are saying, but they are just that brilliant, clear-headed, sharp, that you clearly feel that they are intelligent rather than simply knowledgeable. And there is a correlation between being intelligent in that way and being knowledgeable, but it's still very easy to mistake a lack of knowledge in yourself for a lack of intellect.

So to summarize: math, physics, history are fundamentally knowledge, and even if you don't know about the math that Einstein used or the history of science leading up to Einstein being able to do that math (which is interesting, but that's the key; interest), that doesn't necessarily mean you're a dimwit (subtly hinting I know some math, physics and history: I essentially don't lol).

Edited 6 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Leo Gura]

4 hours ago, Nemra said:

@Leo Gura, I wanted to know whether or not it's because of religious indoctrination or for other reasons.

It's interesting that even if you aren't a Christian, you can still unknowingly relate to Christian symbols to grasp yourself.

The reason is more general than indoctrination.

Your mind needs some way to represent itself to itself. God is formless so it needs some medium, some form, to communicate with you. The form it uses will be based on whichever forms make the most sense to you. Obviously this will most likely be the symbols that your culture taught you.

It is just like dreaming. In your dreams what forms do you encounter? The ones which have the most salience to your psyche.

If you are not a mathematician your dreams will not be mathematical. If you are, they will be. Because that is how your mind likes to represent reality to itself.

[KoryKat]

On 12/19/2025 at 2:17 PM, Hello1 said:

I am very naturally interested in topics like God, consciousness, nature of reality, awakening and so on. I have natural ability to think abstractly, I am intuitive, I have been through a lot of suffering, which also brings people som depth, I think. I meditate as well. When Leo and other intelligent people talk about God and related topics, I have a feeling that I understand incredibly much. More than most people, I suspect.

However, I am not among the top intelligent people (like Leo seems to be, although I'm not too bad either), I do not have my shit together, I struggle with career terribly, I am mostly jobless and sometimes I work as a fucking housekeeper. I don't quite master my emotions, I struggle with finances etc. I am depressive and sometimes suicidal, but most importantly - I'm not very much educated, I don't know basics of math, physics, history. I will never be able to know much of physics and math, its not exactly my type of brain.

My question is - is it ok to still be interested in those topics? How should I go about it? On your way to awakening, do you have to necessarily understand math and physics? Can a "normal", not so educated or math-inclined person awaken as well? 

What matters, is being honest with yourself, and learning about this process of detecting your own sense of 'congruence' 

It not important to understand intellectually ,    

what is important is to understand the rules of the game

Self-Deception is the problem. Everyone is self-deceived,  what matters is , how much you are aware of this self-deception owning you.

The Mind is a Wonderful Servant, but a Terrible Master

The other thing that is important... is to learn where your Source comes from...  I will tell you the secret answer (but you must find this truth in your own way)   -- the secret answer is to label [All Thinking=Toxic] --> You must trust Not-Thought as Source, aka Feeling is the way...   Not to say "trust your emotions" , but instead,  trust the observing process to recognize signals

Leo does a guided meditation exercise in one of his videos, where he has you break down your sensory experience   such as 1) Sight 2) Sound 3) Touch 4) Taste 5) Sound...   (This means , given any signal , name it one of those five senses...  aka dont call it a Light Bulb, call it Sight

Trust the signals of your desire to improve. Trust your heart.  

The dance is the dance between   Self , and Not-Self   .   Develop this self-relationship, differentiating between your lowercase 's' self , and your uppercase 'S' Self ..    Treat 'you' as in a fully-committed & engaged relationship with 'yourself'   

Philosophy is not so much intellectual, as dialogical... the self-conversation,   talking to yourself about things you fear  , and realizing that... that too.. the 'fear' , is also 'just a signal'

What will serve you will now, today, if you choose...  Reach inwards, and hold your own hand in agreement, that you do not lie to yourself, anymore.



This poem really hits with it , about staying true to the kind of character that really matters

If -  Rudyard Kipling

If you can keep your head when all about you   

    Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,   

If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,

    But make allowance for their doubting too;   

If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,

    Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,

Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,

    And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

 

If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;   

    If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;   

If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster

    And treat those two impostors just the same;   

If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken

    Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,

Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,

    And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:

 

If you can make one heap of all your winnings

    And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,

And lose, and start again at your beginnings

    And never breathe a word about your loss;

If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew

    To serve your turn long after they are gone,   

And so hold on when there is nothing in you

    Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’

 

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,   

    Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,

If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,

    If all men count with you, but none too much;

If you can fill the unforgiving minute

    With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,   

Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,   

    And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!

 

[Mellowmarsh]

14 hours ago, Terell Kirby said:

God constructs belief system for a specific purpose, similar to dressing up in a costume for Halloween.