Is there Beauty with a capital B?

[Something Funny]

Or is all beauty relative and is coming from an observer?

If I say that someone is beautiful, is that the truth or am I just describing my own experience: you are evoking a sense of beauty in me?

[Salvijus]

"Beauty is your angelic sense" 

Interesting sentence I once heard. 

 

[Hojo]

It means everything is beautiful and you reversing it to point out that someone is beauty. Everytime you point out beauty you collapse the big b beauty.

[Princess Arabia]

There are appearances that may seem beautiful to an observer. Everything is equally the same; all appearances that is. The observer relates to the appearance and categorizes it as beautiful, ugly, etc. Without the observer it's just what is and all is equally just appearing. There is no anything with a capital anything. 

[UnbornTao]

That's a good question.

Here's a series of initial questions that might help get the ball rolling (a rough list made quickly):

• The estimation that something is beautiful seems to be an assessment. An assessment is made or created.
• Can something be beautiful to itself? For example, can a rock be beautiful to itself?
• Is beauty limited to physical objects?
• Imagine you have no perceptive faculties: no sight, hearing, smell, etc. Where is the quality of beauty then found?
• When we say that someone is beautiful, what could we be referring to?

[Salvijus]

You feel beauty when you recognize an expression of God's presence. That would make beauty is synonymous with Truth. 

[cistanche_enjoyer]

Beauty is the present moment. If you can get fully present with no thoughts, you will feel the infinite Beauty that is always present in this moment.

(although this is mostly in the background when you are in a low “normal” state of consciousness. Increasing the consciousness and the ability to stay present is key)

[Leo Gura]

Of course. Beauty is all there is.

[Malkom]

Only beauty has meaning; nothing else does. Everything you do is for its sake, even any interest you have—an interest in machines, an interest in art, an interest in science, an interest in politics, no matter how low or high—it's all for this. It can be concrete and subjective, deeply personal, and it doesn't matter whether it's absolutely indefinable, boundless, or concrete, because it's Yours. From an absolute perspective, everything is beauty. Even death, as in the Japanese mono no awara. But from my perspective, I don't really accept death as beauty, although it's alluring and very dangerous and very attractive at times. And yet, no, and that's normal for me, that's who I am. I wouldn't want it any other way. My personal perspective, while not absolute, is identical to the absolute, just like yours, and completely unlike anyone else's. I generally believe that with the help of genetic engineering, we will achieve many miracles, including immortality. That's beauty, too.

If you became Pure Consciousness, your only motivation and meaning would be Infinite Beauty. And it doesn't necessarily have to be something you can see, although that's part of it. It could also be a meaning, a moment, a thing, a person, anything.
God is infinite. Although even the phrase "God is infinite" or "Pure Consciousness" seems to imprison it. I use these terms solely as a starting point for understanding, nothing more, although they can be given meaning, why not. Just Be, ahaha.

Edited yesterday at 08:10 PM by Malkom

[Sandroew]

You mean Boobs?

[gettoefl]

Beauty is what I want. Unmitigated self-deception. There is also God. But nah I'll pass on that thanks.

[UnbornTao]

18 hours ago, Something Funny said:

Or is all beauty relative and is coming from an observer?

If I say that someone is beautiful, is that the truth or am I just describing my own experience: you are evoking a sense of beauty in me?

Well, that is relative and dependent on you, it seems to me.

In the conventional sense, it's clearly relational. For example, we generally don't regard disgusting things as beautiful, because a distinction is being made! If there were such a thing as absolute beauty, then why even call it "beauty" at that point, if it's absolute? The point is that our experience suggests otherwise - that it is conditional. Could it be that whatever is aesthetically (or otherwise) pleasing or agreeable to one's self-concerns is what determines (or a core component of) whether something or someone is deemed beautiful? Why don't we tend to say that dog poop is beautiful?

We can also see how it tends to be applied to objects and people - someone is beautiful to me. 

Is it always a subjective assessment? What's the criterion based on? For example, can so-called beauty exist prior to the application of interpretation?

If we say that perceiving an object is different from the application of value and meaning, does perceiving it imbue us with the "beauty-value" of that object? Is the object beautiful in itself? Going a step further, does the object have meaning to itself?

A bit all over the place...

Edited 10 hours ago by UnbornTao

[tuku747]

19 hours ago, Sandroew said:

You mean Boobs?

 

 

[Sandroew]

@tuku747 sorry pal, it cant be played in Germany