Why does the mind imagine others?

[theoneandnone]

This is speaking on solipsism and epistemology of what we can know. We know that in our dreams everyone is from the the mind but why does the mind dream of people what is the purpose of creating others to make them “seem other” but continue to speak to itself. If the waking state is the same thing why does the mind keep creating others to interact with what is the purpose. I don’t wanna hear boring woo woo stories “your god alone so you make other people bla bla” that’s not enough. That’s lazy and doesn’t actually get into the heart of WHY the appearance or anything is happening at all. I found an interesting take on solipsism on how it could work and explain what others are. You can have absolute solipsism and explain the appearance of others through reincarnation and different points of time  povs. So you reading this are the only consciousness but you will enact and become everyone else that you. But it happens one at a time subjectively. So everyone right now is empty and not conscious from your pov in point in time. Then after every being is enacted and lived through you will become completely infused with yourself as source and god consciousness. And helps explains “others”. On this forum you are speaking to different incarnations of oneself. 

Edited Monday at 12:43 AM by theoneandnone

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[Sandroew]

I would say you would be better off not mixing solipsism into everything. Your question makes plenty of sense without it. Its just adds unnecessary complications.

I see that you are asking really good questions here lately, but in the end no matter what we say, you’ll have to answer them yourself as well.

This is not my answer for your question, i just felt like adding this here.

Edited Monday at 02:52 PM by Sandroew

[Someone here]

When will solipsising be against the guidelines? 

[Sandroew]

Truth is the number one value here brother, you dont have to read it if you dont like it.

[Davino]

For the same reason you fuck and reproduce

[theoneandnone]

2 hours ago, Davino said:

For the same reason you fuck and reproduce

That answers absolutely nothing. 
 

 

“why beer good, cause it is”

[theoneandnone]

3 hours ago, Someone here said:

When will solipsising be against the guidelines? 

Never. Biggest human blunder and curiosity.

[theoneandnone]

14 hours ago, Sandroew said:

I would say you would be better off not mixing solipsism into everything. Your question makes plenty of sense without it. Its just adds unnecessary complications.

I see that you are asking really good questions here lately, but in the end no matter what we say, you’ll have to answer them yourself as well.

This is not my answer for your question, i just felt like adding this here.

If that’s not an answer to my question why provide an answer that’s not an answer. 

[Davino]

 

 

[Leo Gura]

God is just Imagination. If you can imagine a self, the next logical step is to imagine an other. An other is just a self that isn't you. You can imagine that.

Without imagining others you would be lonely and bored. Other is also used to fool yourself into thinking you didn't create yourself but came from some "other".

Where did you come from? Either you created yourself or some other created you. To hide that you are God, you need to invent an other to offload the work to. You need to invent a mother and father to offload the responsibility for your creation.

Think of other as something which can be imagined. Which is why it exists.

You can imagine a kangaroo. You can imagine an other.

Edited yesterday at 07:57 AM by Leo Gura

[Daniel Balan]

20 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

God is just Imagination. If you can imagine a self, the next logical step is to imagine an other. An other is just a self that isn't you. You can imagine that.

Without imagining others you would be lonely and bored. Other is also used to fool yourself into thinking you didn't create yourself but came from some "other".

Where did you come from? Either you created yourself or some other created you. To hide that you are God, you need to invent an other to offload the work to. You need to invent a mother and father to offload the responsibility for your creation.

Think of other as something which can be imagined. Which is why it exists.

You can imagine a kangaroo. You can imagine an other.

The most important thing is for one to realize this via direct experience and expansion of consciousness. Because I have a low level of consciousness and I haven't had mystical experiences that would arive me to such a conclusion, I decided that until I become directly aware of what you are pointing at, I will continue to have my worldview shaped by the materialist paradigm, since the materialist conventional paradigm is the only thing that I have been directly conscious of. I will continue to be an Atheist because in my direct experience I haven't experienced that I am god. 

This is crucial. Adopting and parroting Leo's realisations without becoming conscious of them yourself is the same as blindly conforming to fundamentalist religion. 

Believing word for word Leo, holding solipsism as a belief without dirrect experience is the same as a Christian believing that there is a bearded man in the sky because the bible says so.

 

Edited yesterday at 08:12 AM by Daniel Balan

[Leo Gura]

20 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

I decided that until I become directly aware of what you are pointing at, I will continue to have my worldview

That is wise.

I get it. It is hard to endure all the shit I say if you haven't had a single mystical experience. I would sound insane.

It's like I am dancing and you are deaf.

Hang in there.

Edited yesterday at 08:29 AM by Leo Gura

[OBEler]

@Daniel Balan Exactly. Good healthy view.

I still hope one day your material worldview will crack up. I was an atheist, too. After your worldview changes, the world becomes more magical and exciting. It's worth it.

[Daniel Balan]

On 21/10/2025 at 11:26 AM, Leo Gura said:

That is wise.

I get it. It is hard to endure all the shit I say if you haven't had a single mystical experience. I would sound insane.

It's like I am dancing and you are deaf.

Hang in there.

If I were to be brutally honest, I'm at such a low level of cognitive development that I do a lot of mental gymnastics to justify my politics. I basically adopted Leo's politics because I was able to see that he has studied politics thoroughly and he has a life philosophy that I deeply admire. But it feels unnatural to me to be a centrist liberal. My heart is leaning towards MAGA.

I am deeply ashamed to admit that had I been an American citizen I would have voted Kamala just because I have copied Leo's politics, but my heart, my reptilian brain would have leaned towards Trump. I have watched hundreds of Leo's videos, I have read the blog since 2021 non stop, but my cognitive development is so low that if I listen to right wing media and Trump for too long, I fall for them much more effortlessly than I would fall for the liberal media and Biden or Kamala.

In a way I feel like I am powerless to resist being sucked into the social matrix and the center of gravity of my community spiral dynamics wise. The centre of gravity of my community and friends is at stage blue with a bit of red too, and when I speak to them I have to make enormous mental effort to not fall for their worldview. It has been exhausting for me. After each discussion I have with the people in my community I have to spend in my head thinking for countless hours to reinforce and defend the stage Yellow worldview I have copied from Leo when it comes to politics. I have to isolate myself and have no people around me to be able to have the political worldview I copied from Leo, because I soon as I am talking with other people, they dismantle my worldview effortlessly and I feel powerless to find my words to defend it. I feel like my whole political worldview has no fundation, like it was built on the sand not on solid rock earth.

This proves that although I consumed Leo's content for years, I merely brainwashed myself with the content, but the cognitive development of my brain has remained at stage blue/red. 

What should I do now? Let go of the resistance I have developed against the centre of gravity of my culture and go with the herd?

Or realising that my worldview is not mine, humble myself and accept that I'm a stage blue redneck and accept that I have to start developing my cognition starting with the healthy aspects of blue and then going with baby steps up the spiral? 

I have to admit that my worldview is fake and I have to start to develop myself all the way down from blue 😥

Edited 1 hour ago by Daniel Balan

[LoneWonderer]

6 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

If I were to be brutally honest, I'm at such a low level of cognitive development that I do a lot of mental gymnastics to justify my politics. I basically adopted Leo's politics because I was able to see that he has studied politics thoroughly and he has a life philosophy that I deeply admire. But it feels unnatural to me to be a centrist liberal. My heart is leaning towards MAGA.

I am deeply ashamed to admit that had I been an American citizen I would have voted Kamala just because I have copied Leo's politics, but my heart, my reptilian brain would have leaned towards Trump. I have watched hundreds of Leo's videos, I have read the blog since 2021 non stop, but my cognitive development is so low that if I listen to right wing media and Trump for too long, I fall for them much more effortlessly than I would fall for the liberal media and Biden or Kamala.

In a way I feel like I am powerless to resist being sucked into the social matrix and the center of gravity of my community spiral dynamics wise. The centre of gravity of my community and friends is at stage blue with a bit of red too, and when I speak to them I have to make enormous mental effort to not fall for their worldview. It has been exhausting for me. After each discussion I have with the people in my community I have to spend in my head thinking for countless hours to reinforce and defend the stage Yellow worldview I have copied from Leo when it comes to politics. I have to isolate myself and have no people around me to be able to have the political worldview I copied from Leo, because I soon as I am talking with other people, they dismantle my worldview effortlessly and I feel powerless to find my words to defend it. I feel like my whole political worldview has no fundation, like it was built on the sand not on solid rock earth.

This proves that although I consumed Leo's content for years, I merely brainwashed myself with the content, but the cognitive development of my brain has remained at stage blue/red. 

What should I do now? Let go of the resistance I have developed against the centre of gravity of my culture and go with the herd?

Or realising that my worldview is not mine, humble myself and accept that I'm a stage blue redneck and accept that I have to start developing my cognition starting with the healthy aspects of blue and then going with baby steps up the spiral? 

I have to admit that my worldview is fake and I have to start to develop myself all the way down from blue 😥

Cool read thanks for sharing. I'm sort of the same but raised in green/yellow. I have the opposite problem, I have a lot of red and blue and orange to intergrate.

[Daniel Balan]

4 hours ago, LoneWonderer said:

Cool read thanks for sharing. I'm sort of the same but raised in green/yellow. I have the opposite problem, I have a lot of red and blue and orange to intergrate.

My whole point wasn't about politics, it was about that no matter how much content you consume from more developed individuals, unless you commit yourself to do a lot of inner work, something like actualized.org is useless no matter how great the knowledge it gives you is. In the end it takes tremendous effort to profoundly change one's development level. This is no walk in the park, it takes unparalleled effort to move from Blue to Orange. To move from Blue to Orange, the person you were at blue needs to litteraly die and then to rebirth itself at orange. It takes total destruction of the old self in order to then emerge at a higher stage. This takes profound inner work day in and day out for at least a decade to move just one stage! Merely following actualized.org and copying Leo's insights simply means that you memorized by hard someone else's insights but you still remain at stage blue, your brain and psyche is still deeply wired in the blue worldview behind the scenes even though you have adopted some new thoughts from someone else the same way you adopted the Christian fundamentalist worldview when you were a child. 

I become deeply aware that I am a literal sheep. The same way I swallowed the orthodox Christian paradigm and worldview when I was 5 years old, I did the same with Leo's teachings since I follow him. Fundamentally my cognitive development had remained the same, the hardware of my brain, the vehicle from which I see the world is the same stage blue vehicle I used to carry the fundamentalist worldview when I was a kid, the only difference is that now I threw away from the vehicle the fundamentalist worldview and I replaced it with Leo's philosophy. I merely changed the upholstery, yet the structure and the hardware of my cognitive vehicle has remained the same. 

Edited yesterday at 08:48 PM by Daniel Balan

[Beans]

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Why does the mind imagine others?

I want to lick you 

[gettoefl]

Here's what happens. I escape God and forget about it entirely. (Everyone did this and there is no recollection or knowledge of God here.) Good job me - am now as free as a bee. Yet deep within I feel wretched and petrified that I messed up. So what can I do? Simple, I will dream up a you on my daily screens and dump all that guilt onto you. You are the bad guy bro. All evil be with you and I am completely sweet and innocent. Alas I need to throw you under the bus so that I allay my guilt and be heralded in the world as one of the good decent fine exemplars of humanity. Thank you for your service bro. It was nice knowing you.

[Miguel1]

On 10/21/2025 at 11:26 AM, Leo Gura said:

It's like I am dancing and you are deaf.

As a dancer, I love the analogy. When people don't focus on listening to the music while watching a dance performance, they miss half of the beauty.