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Sadhguru on Dr k

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@Leo Gura Did you try any other yoga programs that are hardcore enough for you?

Are you doing virtue signaling spirituality? The fuck do you expect to happen, 5meo trip during the yoga? 

Sounds like a you issue if you don't have the patience to jump through 2 fucking hoops, to at least have a taste of what a great guru has to offer.

When you start new things, have an open mind and 0 opinions, a monk with a stick would do you wonders with the audacity to judge a system you don't even know the outline of.

You can bulshit yourself, but this is all ego, not wanting actual growth. Cling to the trips, bro, you are enlightened!!!!

Monks eat 10x your dose and don't bat an eye, but their method is definitely flawed. 

Even on a logical basis, this attitude of yours is laughably unserious.

 

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54 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

He was cockily chastizing Health Gamer for not being able to silence the mind.

Complusion my ass. Every mind is chaotic and restless unless it is trained for decades in hardcore ways. Expecting normies to have silent minds is absurd.

Not only that he was insulting him like he was dumb for even asking the question. Dr K wanted to get a clear answer and go a bit in depth and he REFUSED. This was the most assholish I have ever seen him and it was an important interview. Sadhguru says he can read someones karma just by looking at them and cant see Dr K wants to help people spiritually? He was talking to Dr K like he being disingenuous. This not only turns off 3 Million people specifically gamers who can use it the most and Dr K himself. Thats 3 million people sitting around playing games looking for a community to live in. If anything he says about himself is true then he would know.

It sounded like he was angry at him for no reason. Or he was using the same old answers and cant answer when being asked specifics.

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@Socrates why are you so upset? 


Deal with the issue now, on your terms, in your control. Or the issue will deal with you, in ways you won't appreciate, and cannot control.

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@Natasha Tori Maru Slopiness and mental gymnastics from newbies are expected, but from Leo, the bar is higher, so you'd better expect me to press him on his BS.

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@Socrates sure, you do you boo.

But there is a mature and open way of approaching conversation available to you. 

And you chose not to take it. Evidenced by phrasing and tone.

It's a discussion, not an emotional dumping ground.


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25 minutes ago, Recursoinominado said:

You have only seen his top-of-funnel teachings. I read many interesting reports from people who did his yoga training, it seems he has some sort of Kriya yoga lineage and it's techniques are powerful. Again, many gurus in history only taught their secrets to close disciples. 

I can believe that, but I don't regard spiritual experiences as understanding anything. No profound teachings? People have all kinds of radical spiritual experiences, but they don't learn anything.

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5 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

@everyone, I'm curious, who here feels energy when watching/listening to Sadhguru?

I do not. 

Which is weird because I normally get reads and feelings from people when I pay attention. 

Just within the context of this interview - my impression was Sadhguru had a bit of mirth with his delivery, almost laughing at 'westerners' not seeing the obvious. It appears to me he is so far removed from the experience of typical seekers his delivery fell flat, as he seems unable to bridge the gap between his experience and the typical seeker.

I have no issue with the substance of what he teaches and says - I think it's valid. 

The delivery was just very odd to me, and I felt wholly unsatisfied with how he answered Dr. K's questions. 

 


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4 hours ago, Socrates said:

@Natasha Tori Maru Slopiness and mental gymnastics from newbies are expected, but from Leo, the bar is higher, so you'd better expect me to press him on his BS.

You have been around for over 3,000 years. I think you would have learned maturity and patience by now.

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4 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I do not. 

Which is weird because I normally get reads and feelings from people when I pay attention. 

Jan Esmann?

 

4 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Just within the context of this interview - my impression was Sadhguru had a bit of mirth with his delivery, almost laughing at 'westerners' not seeing the obvious. It appears to me he is so far removed from the experience of typical seekers his delivery fell flat, as he seems unable to bridge the gap between his experience and the typical seeker.

I have no issue with the substance of what he teaches and says - I think it's valid. 

The delivery was just very odd to me, and I felt wholly unsatisfied with how he answered Dr. K's questions. 

I felt like Sadhguru didn't know who Dr. K was or what he was about, as if he was being interviewed by a journalist from CNN. And there have been many times he has come off as brash in earlier "in-depth" interviews, like the DiaryOfACEO one, really in most interviews that ask directed questions.

That's seemingly just his style, of not giving people too much charity and just steamrolling them with his message, even if it involves cutting them off. People will get triggered by that, but it also seems to me to be a method to the madness. He is very particular with how he interrupts people, often answering what they were about to ask anyway before they got more than a few words out, and often saving time in some way.

There is a sense where you getting triggered by Sadhguru is more him breaking a social convention of conversation than him being some kind of egomaniac (like, idk, Trump) that just spins bullshit or slings shit at other people. He's always focused on the message, always focused on the cause. And that's what you expect from people in these states (if I may say neuroscientifically; shutting down the default mode network means that what is active is the "doing" network). He is relentlessly doing, constantly, and it can be intense and sometimes triggering.

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10 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

 And there have been many times he has come off as brash in earlier "in-depth" interviews, like the DiaryOfACEO one, really in most interviews that ask directed questions.

That's seemingly just his style, of not giving people too much charity and just steamrolling them with his message, even if it involves cutting them off. People will get triggered by that, but it also seems to me to be a method to the madness. He is very particular with how he interrupts people, often answering what they were about to ask anyway before they got more than a few words out, and often saving time in some way.

There is a sense where you getting triggered by Sadhguru is more him breaking a social convention of conversation than him being some kind of egomaniac (like, idk, Trump) that just spins bullshit or slings shit at other people. He's always focused on the message, always focused on the cause. And that's what you expect from people in these states (if I may say neuroscientifically; shutting down the default mode network means that what is active is the "doing" network). He is relentlessly doing, constantly, and it can be intense and sometimes triggering.

I agree with this take!

FWIW I do not feel triggered at all when watching Sadhguru - my hypothesis above was just a general possible reason others feel emotional reaction to him. I have never had any sort of emotional reaction to listening to him.

Your point regarding him cutting into a question before the interviewer is valid also - and it is something I had to train myself out of in dialogue with others: I get an immediate sense for where the question is leading to so quickly, I feel the need to interrupt to cut the enquiry off to prevent the person (and myself) from wasting energy. The reason I trained myself out of this? The person often felt unheard, or that I was dismissing them. This resulted in me being labelled a snob and arrogant in my younger years - so I think it is a habit he may have adopted with the thought 'I will prevent you wasting time' rather than 'I know what you are going to say and it is irrelevant'. Just one possible reason he does this, and has good intentions behind it (saving energy) :) 

On the flip side is - behind that lies the assumption he KNOWS where this is going. And that IS actually slightly arrogant - because sometimes you cannot predict the direction an enquiry will go. It is a huge asset to remain open - and he does appear to be closed off in this way. It shows assumption - another reason his delivery might not agree with others. When I witness this, I see it as a function of certainty and confidence - but many do not see it this way. Speaking for myself - often I know exactly where something is going, but I now hold my tongue as the recipient being heard is a way for me to 'plate up' my answer in a nice way for them to enjoy the eating, rather than gag because I threw the food on the ground and said 'Here, enjoy your gruel'. It makes a point easier to integrate for the recipient. I had to learn patience. 

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I felt like Sadhguru didn't know who Dr. K was or what he was about, as if he was being interviewed by a journalist from CNN.

Yes, I felt this too - but this might also come down to the interviewers. They may have needed to really think on how they can ask questions in different ways to prompt a deeper answer from Sadhguru. When I have interviewed others, I have done extensive research into the person prior to the interview and deliberately targeted areas of enquiry that I felt had not been probed. And formulated my questions in different ways as a prompt to reframe the answer. 

Sadhguru - like Leo - has his style. So it seems to me necessary to take a different approach to questioning him. 

I wouldn't have the hope for him to change his style based on my questions :P


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7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I purchased his Inner Engineering program. It is a pure waste of time. And yet Sadhguru is telling Healthy Gamer that inner engineering will give you a silent mind. Pure nonsense.

@Leo Gura Completely agree on your previous criticisms of Sadhguru (refusing to acknowledge that he's a freak leading to false expectations, arrogance, etc) 

However, hard disagree with your take on the inner engineering program. From what I remember in previous discussions, you only took the preliminary IE-Online, and did not complete the IE-Completion - the in-person 2nd half of the course where they teach the actual practice Shambhavi Mahamudra Kriya

I'd happily concede that the online lectures (whatever you listened to in IE-online) are for normies, even if I personally found value in them. But to say that the entire program is 'a pure waste of time' is quite disappointing when you haven't even learned the kriya, the piece that's equal to 80/90% of the courses value

Now, if I'm mistaken, and you have in fact learned the kriya; I'd genuinely like to know - why did you find it a pure waste of time? It's given me and others tangible results and is far more potent than your average awareness paths like vipassana, vedanta, etc. Especially considering that you yourself are an advocate of kriya yoga Leo. In fact, what actually led me to take the program in the first place was that I was getting inconsistent results from JC stevens book. It's been 6 years since and the only reason I've taken more programs is because they've worked so well. Which is why I'm surprised at your take

 

To be clear, I have gratitude towards Sadhguru because he's empowered me in a profound way, how could I not be grateful for that? But make no mistake, I have no loyalty. This work is about me and my growth, nothing else, certainly not another person or an organization. Should we ever discover immoral acts such as financial/sexual/etc abuse I'd have no qualms in publicly condemning him. But, I'd be a fool to dismiss the practices

For context, it wouldn't surprise me if I left Ishas methods someday for something like ryan kurczaks lineage. But for now, I still feel the alignment so we shall see. However, I seriously doubt I'll ever stop practicing Hatha Yoga taught at Isha, it's fucking incredible. Most people are not capable of serious kriya yoga, or any other meditative process for that matter. They just don't have the bodies capable for it (myself included to a large extent, though Im actively working on it). This is what authentic hatha yoga does, it builds the fundamental integrity & malleability of the energy body so that when you do attempt kriya yoga you'll see results

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1 hour ago, The Blind Sage said:

However, hard disagree with your take on the inner engineering program. From what I remember in previous discussions, you only took the preliminary IE-Online, and did not complete the IE-Completion - the in-person 2nd half of the course where they teach the actual practice Shambhavi Mahamudra Kriya

I did attend a 2 or 3 day live training.

It is certainly more substantial than the online course, but I still prefer actual Kriya yoga.

My bias is for hardcore practices. I don't like wasting my time with watered down stuff. If I am going to do yoga I want the full deal, not a half-measure.

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1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I agree with this take!

FWIW I do not feel triggered at all when watching Sadhguru

Well I do 😛 But again, it's just the "ugh, the social convention, muh feels".

 

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Your point regarding him cutting into a question before the interviewer is valid also - and it is something I had to train myself out of in dialogue with others: I get an immediate sense for where the question is leading to so quickly, I feel the need to interrupt to cut the enquiry off to prevent the person (and myself) from wasting energy. The reason I trained myself out of this? The person often felt unheard, or that I was dismissing them. This resulted in me being labelled a snob and arrogant in my younger years - so I think it is a habit he may have adopted with the thought 'I will prevent you wasting time' rather than 'I know what you are going to say and it is irrelevant'. Just one possible reason he does this, and has good intentions behind it (saving energy) :) 

To know what the person is going to say next, that's being quick. I've personally dealt with a slightly different problem that I kinda always know what the larger arch of the conversation will be, and I have had to teach myself not to find it simply boring but enjoy digging in the dirt.


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4 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

To know what the person is going to say next, that's being quick. I've personally dealt with a slightly different problem that I kinda always know what the larger arch of the conversation will be, and I have had to teach myself not to find it simply boring but enjoy digging in the dirt.

Do you think you can miss details as a result of seeing the overarching direction? I have this issue - I try to be aware of it.

In addition - I pay no heed to the truthfulness of statements made in isolation. Which can make me irritated when I read a truth because I can think of a few contexts in which it doesn't apply.... I admire logical thinkers who go for pure definitions. And that is because I miss relevant details as I seem to only pay attention to the parts I can directly apply. I default to 'how can I use this' with truth :( So I never get to the point of asking 'is this true in all situations?' instead it is 'how is this truth relevant to this and how can I gain leverage with it'. 

Another shortfall of mine I am working on to enhance my thinking.

BOY THATS A LOT OF OVERTHINKING 


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Apart from the slopiness in here, the pod showcases to me how much underdeveloped orange/low green really is, mostly living in fantasy, projections, and ego identification of what you think you know, who you are, and basically mind bullshit. 

Imagine someone telling you, if you don't control the mind, you are "mentally ill", and you get triggered instead of reflecting: "Maybe he is into something". You're unredeemable with that attitude.

Fools don't want to grow; they want to appear smart. Appearances>substance, and drK's channel is so mainstream at this point that these guys are the vast majority.

Smart enough to understand some technical scientific study, but way too dumb to observe life and make conclusions of their own without parroting another fool.

 Unfortunately, this is the content of info-tainment consumption, and that is the result. Too many people think information is the same as wisdom. They are all underestimating the depth of this work.

 

 

 

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It shows the level of mastery that he has. Regardless of who he's talking to (and I mean literally anyone) the result is always the same. The intelligence needed to play with the audience and the environment like that is awe inspiring. 

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18 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't know why you guys keep hating on Sadhguru. He says correct things.

Stop hating on Sadhguru. He says correct things.

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Really the talking that sadhguru does is just a smokescreen. He's not interested in chit-chating, he just burns like a flame. The only thing you can do in his presence is dissolve in it. The talking is just to get people's attention who would otherwise not be able to recognize the presence that he is. Something to hold on to as a stepping stone that would eventually take them into more subtle realities. 

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