Sadhguru on Dr k

[Carl-Richard]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I think giving people false expecations and weak-sauce methods does quite a bit of harm because people get lost in shallow, fruitless methods.

I would hate to sell a fitness newbie on the idea that he will look ripped by using a thigh-master. To me that is fraud.

Eckhart Tolle could've killed himself.

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Socrates said:

 

You can't be so unserious, Leo.

Most of that text was based on assumptions you made up. Neither does he "sell" his level of mastery, nor do you know what that even is. 

Comical to not being able to distinguish basic no-self with an energetic aspect for frictionless living, and a reincarnated guru that can do mahasamadhi today if he wanted to.

Just observe, you don't fucking know what yoga does, entails, or offers, or what the floor or even the peak even is.

You are yapping for yapping's sake, just do your due diligence and tread carefully on topics you yourself know you don't understand.

I purchased his Inner Engineering program. It is a pure waste of time. And yet Sadhguru is telling Healthy Gamer that inner engineering will give you a silent mind. Pure nonsense.

[Ishanga]

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, he claims that.

It's not a big deal in my opinion. Doesn't detract from his understanding of God.

My biggest gripe with Sadhguru is that he acts like he is not a genetic freak and he misleads people into thinking his results are normal. No one following him will get his results. He acts like shutting off the mind is just a normal skill. That is so misleading. He is fooling normies into thinking taking a few of his classes will give them mastery of their minds -- which it utter boloney. He is doing the analog of a professional bodybuilder on steroids selling thigh-masters and pull-up bars to people on TV, as if they will ever reach his level that way, but they believe they will.

In all my years of involvement and study of Sadhguru never has he said that his goal is too have ppl with silent minds or turning it off, in fact he has said the opposite of this.. What he says is not to identify with the Mind, not to believe it is You that is the Mind or the Thoughts or the Thinking patterns, and that creating a Space btwn what is You, and what is the Mind or Body is the basic practice. 

I'd like to ask anyone here, if Your goal was to bring Bliss as a natural Experience to everyone in this world, how would You go about it?? Sadhguru did not start to go public until after the early 2000's I believe, before that it was just word of mouth, today Billions are touched by the Isha Foundation, and why not, we need organizations like this to fix how fucked up this world is...

 

[Socrates]

@Leo Gura How long did u do it?

Did you understand yoga deeply and how it works?

Did you try Shoonya, Samyama, or other advanced practices?

If not, why are you entitled to an opinion, and why are you doubling down like a fool?

 

Edited Friday at 12:30 AM by Socrates

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Carl-Richard said:

Eckhart Tolle could've killed himself.

I don't know how this is relevant.

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Ishanga said:

In all my years of involvement and study of Sadhguru never has he said that his goal is too have ppl with silent minds or turning it off, in fact he has said the opposite of this..

Dude, watch the posted video. He is lecturing Healthy Gamer on how people without silent minds are basically mentally ill and how easy it is to shut off the mind and if you can't then you are basically mentally ill.

[Ishanga]

37 minutes ago, Scholar said:

It seems like my impression of what he said was exaggerated. He claims various things about having created an eternal Linga that will cleanse people from dark energies (including the occult) if they visit.

He also claims the spiritual knowledge of how to create such a Linga was uploaded into him by his Guru through a touch of his forehead with his staff.

https://ia804504.us.archive.org/8/items/mystic-s-musings/mystic-s-musings.pdf

 

Yes the Dylanalinga, which almost killed him and a few others, its the main reason why he was here, he was supposed to leave the body (mahasamahdi) after its completion, but as an experiment he wanted to see if he could reconstruct his energy body with the help of others, so he did it...glad he did..

As to the stories of how this all started, his past lives and so forth, I pay less attention to that, all that matters is that his stuff works, and it does, how he promotes himself and Isha is up to him, not my concern not should it be!

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Socrates said:

@Leo Gura How long did u do it

There is nothing in that program worth doing.

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Dude, watch the posted video. He is lecturing Healthy Gamer on how people without silent minds are basically mentally ill and how easy it is to shut off the mind and if you can't then you are basically mentally ill.

I watched it, he said that Compulsion is the fundamental reason why mental illness is rampant, we are the most compulsive society ever...I did not hear him say a silent mind is the solution!

[Socrates]

@Leo Gura You can't do a 21-minute meditation?

Where is the hardcore attitude of spirituality? Does that only come up with drugs?

Where is the scientific rigor to find out if it works or not? Did you lose that?

you are demonstrating deep unseriousness here, Leo

[Carl-Richard]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't know how this is relevant.

Could you have predicted that the ultra-depressed person that Eckhart was, would've turned into the guru he is today? If you had told him "awakening is simply not in the cards for you, bud, some people were just born to be like that", do you see how dangerous that is? (not dangerous with respect to suicidality, but the likelihood that they will believe in it and the loss of potential).

Edited Friday at 12:40 AM by Carl-Richard

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

I watched it, he said that Compulsion is the fundamental reason why mental illness is rampant, we are the most compulsive society ever...I did not hear him say a silent mind is the solution!

He was cockily chastizing Health Gamer for not being able to silence the mind.

Complusion my ass. Every mind is chaotic and restless unless it is trained for decades in hardcore ways. Expecting normies to have silent minds is absurd.

Edited Friday at 12:39 AM by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Could you have predicted that the ultra-depressed person that Eckhart was, would've turned into the guru he is today? If you had told him "awakening is simply not in the cards for you, bud, some people were just born to be like that", do you see how dangerous that is? (not dangerous with respect to suicidality, but the loss of potential).

But I wouldn't tell him that. I would tell him to do hardcore practices rather than weak-sauce ones.

Awakening is in the cards for everyone as long as they are serious enough about it.

Edited Friday at 12:40 AM by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

7 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

I watched it, he said that Compulsion is the fundamental reason why mental illness is rampant, we are the most compulsive society ever...I did not hear him say a silent mind is the solution!

He did say a few times you 'stop doing it' using the walking analogy. Silent mind does imply a cessation of something being done. 'Mind diarrhea' was also used. Excessive thinking/worry which is the root of compulsion. And he says that needs to stop. Stop doing it.

It is just that he doesn't make clear the necessary actionable steps to do this. 

Thought dis-identification is the beginning - but I think the purpose of the interview was that Dr K wanted to know the mechanisms going on there. As is his bias being a doctor and all

[Socrates]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

But I wouldn't tell him that. I would tell him to do hardcore practices rather than weak-sauce ones.

Stop labeling things weak or strong, YOU DON'T KNOW YOGA !!! WAKE UP!!!

No discernment of yours in this topic matters, you are DELUDING YOURSELF!!!!

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I think users here are underestimating just how bogged down people are in their minds.

You can silence the mind - but it is hard. You effectively have to train it into yourself like a habit with thought-disidentification. 

Practice will get you there - but this comes easier to some more than others. 

Think 20 years of doing something you are trying to stop. You won't even realise you are doing it. How often do you pick up your phone to read a message and find yourself on Instagram? Habits. Thoughts. Unconscious actions.

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Socrates said:

Stop labeling things weak or strong, YOU DON'T KNOW YOGA !!! WAKE UP!!!

No discernment of yours in this topic matters, you are DELUDING YOURSELF!!!!

I did a few of his programs and they are weak.

Maybe he has better more advanced programs but I don't have the patience to climb his ladders just to find out.

His programs are designed for simpletons.

Edited Friday at 12:52 AM by Leo Gura

[Elliott]

What are some profound teachings of Sadghuru?

 

I listened to him for years and loved him, but I now believe he is a total fraud. And when you look at his past, I find him disgusting.

[Recursoinominado]

36 minutes ago, hyruga said:

Sadhguru talks about the same things over and over. Just like almost everyone else. It's what they want to talk about.

Many spiritual teachers are like that. Buddha, Jesus, Ramana Maharshi, Nisagardatta, Ramakrishna etc. They are very repetitive, and many of their teachings are simple, given for dummies. 

[Recursoinominado]

6 minutes ago, Elliott said:

What are some profound teachings of Sadghuru?

I listened to him for years and loved him, but I now believe he is a total fraud. And when you look at his past, I find him disgusting.

You have only seen his top-of-funnel teachings. I read many interesting reports from people who did his yoga training, it seems he has some sort of Kriya yoga lineage and it's techniques are powerful. Again, many gurus in history only taught their secrets to close disciples.