Sadhguru on Dr k

[Socrates]

The problem you guys don’t get is that there’s nothing to talk about. You can’t sit down with Roger Federer or Messi and understand their mastery just by talking — the same way you can’t chat with Sadhguru and figure out if he’s enlightened.

Every judgment you make is probably just your ego feeling threatened by something it can’t grasp — an egoless state. So it copes by not taking it seriously. Oldest trick in the book. The ego’s sneaky; it’ll do anything to stay comfortable and underdeveloped.

Even in this so-called “spiritual” community, most people are extreme casuals — spirituality from the couch. Can’t do a 20-minute yoga or meditation session, but always ready to run their mouths about what’s “authentic” or “fake.” Just stop. Your opinion probably doesn’t matter, and you’re not even in a position to have one.

If you don’t have years of experience in this, sit it out. It’s exhausting having to wade through endless comments from people who’ve done nothing but still have an opinion on everything.

Before you type, ask yourself:
Do I actually know what I’m talking about — or am I just talking out of my ass?

[Scholar]

57 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I know of his mercury shrine but I have not heard him say it instantly enlightens everyone. He claims is has some consciousness-raising properties. I'm not in a position to know if that's true or not.

It seems like my impression of what he said was exaggerated. He claims various things about having created an eternal Linga that will cleanse people from dark energies (including the occult) if they visit.

He also claims the spiritual knowledge of how to create such a Linga was uploaded into him by his Guru through a touch of his forehead with his staff.

https://ia804504.us.archive.org/8/items/mystic-s-musings/mystic-s-musings.pdf

 

[Carl-Richard]

4 hours ago, Scholar said:

He says he has manifested a magical mecury block that instantly enlightens everyone who visits it.

Crypto-materialist detected 📡🗼

[Carl-Richard]

7 minutes ago, Scholar said:

It seems like my impression of what he said was exaggerated.

Your impression was exaggerated?

 

7 minutes ago, Scholar said:

He claims various things about having created an eternal Linga that will cleanse people from dark energies (including the occult) if they visit.

He also claims the spiritual knowledge of how to create such a Linga was uploaded into him by his Guru through a touch of his forehead with his staff.

https://ia804504.us.archive.org/8/items/mystic-s-musings/mystic-s-musings.pdf

There are wilder stories out there. Try for example Jan Esmann's Enlightenment story.

Edited October 9 by Carl-Richard

[Leo Gura]

15 minutes ago, Scholar said:

It seems like my impression of what he said was exaggerated. He claims various things about having created an eternal Linga that will cleanse people from dark energies (including the occult) if they visit.

Yes, he claims that.

It's not a big deal in my opinion. Doesn't detract from his understanding of God.

My biggest gripe with Sadhguru is that he acts like he is not a genetic freak and he misleads people into thinking his results are normal. No one following him will get his results. He acts like shutting off the mind is just a normal skill. That is so misleading. He is fooling normies into thinking taking a few of his classes will give them mastery of their minds -- which it utter boloney. He is doing the analog of a professional bodybuilder on steroids selling thigh-masters and pull-up bars to people on TV, as if they will ever reach his level that way, but they believe they will.

Edited October 10 by Leo Gura

[pursuitofspirit]

4 hours ago, Scholar said:

He says he has manifested a magical mecury block that instantly enlightens everyone who visits it.

Is this real? I’ve never heard of this before.  Very interesting. Reminds me of the various stories of sages materializing physical objects into being. 

[Carl-Richard]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

My biggest gripe with Sadhguru is that he acts like he is not a genetic freak and he misleads people into thinking his results are normal. No one following him will get his results. He acts like shutting off the mind is just a normal skill. That is so misleading. He is fooling normies into thinking taking a few of his classes will give them mastery of their minds -- which it utter boloney. He is doing the analog of a professional bodybuilder on steroids selling thigh-masters and pull-up bars to people on TV, as if they will ever reach his level that way.

You know, some people are just in the wrong situation so to speak and becoming aware of the right teachings can absolutely revolutionize their entire life, and this kind of non-self-efficacious thinking is not helping. Just in general, non-self-efficacious thinking is a self-imposed mental limitation that keeps you safely rooted in not trying. If trying and failing was extremely dangerous, you would have more of a point.

Edited October 10 by Carl-Richard

[Scholar]

17 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Your impression was exaggerated?

Yes?

18 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

There are wilder stories out there. Try for example Jan Esmann's Enlightenment story.

How many people are following that guy though? Sadhguru can give off some pretty strong cult vibes, although he is at a level where we would just call it a new religion.

 

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's not a big deal in my opinion. Doesn't detract from his understanding of God.

It's hard for me to gage that. I feel like most of what he says of value are just extrapolated yogic teachings/frameworks, I am not sure if he necessarily needs a direct experience to be able to present himself the way he does.

But of course it could equally be the case that he has some mastery over his mind but remains delusional in other areas.

[Carl-Richard]

Just now, Scholar said:

How many people are following that guy though? Sadhguru can give off some pretty strong cult vibes, although he is at a level where we would just call it a new religion.

He is a smaller teacher. Why does that matter? It's ok to disbelieve stories, you don't need to justify it other than you just don't believe it. I one time read a note on the wall at my gym that said "we had to close the sauna because people are urinating on the heater". I said "I don't believe it" (but then over time, I actually could see it being a possibility).

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

You know, some people are just in the wrong situation so to speak and becoming aware of the right teachings can absolutely revolutionize their entire life, and this kind of non-self-efficacious thinking is not helping. Just in general, non-self-efficacious thinking is a self-imposed mental limitation that keeps you safely rooted in not trying. If trying and failing was extremely dangerous, you would have more of a point.

I think giving people false expecations and weak-sauce methods does quite a bit of harm because people get lost in shallow, fruitless methods.

I would hate to sell a fitness newbie on the idea that he will look ripped by using a thigh-master. To me that is fraud.

Edited October 10 by Leo Gura

[Ishanga]

35 minutes ago, Socrates said:

The problem you guys don’t get is that there’s nothing to talk about. You can’t sit down with Roger Federer or Messi and understand their mastery just by talking — the same way you can’t chat with Sadhguru and figure out if he’s enlightened.

Every judgment you make is probably just your ego feeling threatened by something it can’t grasp — an egoless state. So it copes by not taking it seriously. Oldest trick in the book. The ego’s sneaky; it’ll do anything to stay comfortable and underdeveloped.

Even in this so-called “spiritual” community, most people are extreme casuals — spirituality from the couch. Can’t do a 20-minute yoga or meditation session, but always ready to run their mouths about what’s “authentic” or “fake.” Just stop. Your opinion probably doesn’t matter, and you’re not even in a position to have one.

If you don’t have years of experience in this, sit it out. It’s exhausting having to wade through endless comments from people who’ve done nothing but still have an opinion on everything.

Before you type, ask yourself:
Do I actually know what I’m talking about — or am I just talking out of my ass?

Correct, their ego in some way is threatened... They don't have a problem with Jaggi Vasudev, they have a problem with the Title or label "Sadhguru", or what seems to be a Authority Figure, he's not that, he is the head of his organization, but he has said many times that he is only stating and relating what is coming thru his own Experience, that is what as Sadhguru is, an uneducated Guru, not learned via Spiritual Texts or Teachings...

For others its how he dresses, or where he comes from, or how he speaks, its not about the Person Jaggi Vasudev, its what they project on him, which is false of course, these people have never sat infront of him for hours or day at a time.. Do You really think a fake would work 20hrs a day, for over 30yrs for fame and fortune? If he was this good a fake then why not be an Actor and then not be constrained by so called spiritual ethics??

As a you said, it is like ppl on the street that are Monday morning Quarter backs, "Oh the team should have done this or that" I hear this all the time, well if You are so good at that sport then why are you not the coach and getting paid big bucks to do so? Because You know really nothing of what it takes, its the same here, ppl can talk all they want, there is no credibility behind it...

[Socrates]

 

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

My biggest gripe with Sadhguru is that he acts like he is not a genetic freak and he misleads people into thinking his results are normal

You can't be so unserious, Leo.

Most of that text was based on assumptions you made up. Neither does he "sell" his level of mastery, nor do you know what that even is. 

Comical to not being able to distinguish basic no-self with an energetic aspect for frictionless living, and a reincarnated guru that can do mahasamadhi today if he wanted to.

Just observe, you don't fucking know what yoga does, entails, or offers, or what the floor or even the peak even is.

You are yapping for yapping's sake, just do your due diligence and tread carefully on topics you yourself know you don't understand.

[hyruga]

Sadhguru talks about the same things over and over. Just like almost everyone else. It's what they want to talk about.

[Carl-Richard]

6 minutes ago, Scholar said:

I am not sure if he necessarily needs a direct experience to be able to present himself the way he does.

@everyone, I'm curious, who here feels energy when watching/listening to Sadhguru?

[Carl-Richard]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I think giving people false expecations and weak-sauce methods does quite a bit of harm because people get lost in shallow, fruitless methods.

I would hate to sell a fitness newbie on the idea that he will look ripped by using a thigh-master. To me that is fraud.

Eckhart Tolle could've killed himself.

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Socrates said:

 

You can't be so unserious, Leo.

Most of that text was based on assumptions you made up. Neither does he "sell" his level of mastery, nor do you know what that even is. 

Comical to not being able to distinguish basic no-self with an energetic aspect for frictionless living, and a reincarnated guru that can do mahasamadhi today if he wanted to.

Just observe, you don't fucking know what yoga does, entails, or offers, or what the floor or even the peak even is.

You are yapping for yapping's sake, just do your due diligence and tread carefully on topics you yourself know you don't understand.

I purchased his Inner Engineering program. It is a pure waste of time. And yet Sadhguru is telling Healthy Gamer that inner engineering will give you a silent mind. Pure nonsense.

[Ishanga]

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, he claims that.

It's not a big deal in my opinion. Doesn't detract from his understanding of God.

My biggest gripe with Sadhguru is that he acts like he is not a genetic freak and he misleads people into thinking his results are normal. No one following him will get his results. He acts like shutting off the mind is just a normal skill. That is so misleading. He is fooling normies into thinking taking a few of his classes will give them mastery of their minds -- which it utter boloney. He is doing the analog of a professional bodybuilder on steroids selling thigh-masters and pull-up bars to people on TV, as if they will ever reach his level that way, but they believe they will.

In all my years of involvement and study of Sadhguru never has he said that his goal is too have ppl with silent minds or turning it off, in fact he has said the opposite of this.. What he says is not to identify with the Mind, not to believe it is You that is the Mind or the Thoughts or the Thinking patterns, and that creating a Space btwn what is You, and what is the Mind or Body is the basic practice. 

I'd like to ask anyone here, if Your goal was to bring Bliss as a natural Experience to everyone in this world, how would You go about it?? Sadhguru did not start to go public until after the early 2000's I believe, before that it was just word of mouth, today Billions are touched by the Isha Foundation, and why not, we need organizations like this to fix how fucked up this world is...

 

[Socrates]

@Leo Gura How long did u do it?

Did you understand yoga deeply and how it works?

Did you try Shoonya, Samyama, or other advanced practices?

If not, why are you entitled to an opinion, and why are you doubling down like a fool?

 

Edited October 10 by Socrates

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Carl-Richard said:

Eckhart Tolle could've killed himself.

I don't know how this is relevant.

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Ishanga said:

In all my years of involvement and study of Sadhguru never has he said that his goal is too have ppl with silent minds or turning it off, in fact he has said the opposite of this..

Dude, watch the posted video. He is lecturing Healthy Gamer on how people without silent minds are basically mentally ill and how easy it is to shut off the mind and if you can't then you are basically mentally ill.