Who Wants Actualized Psychedelic Retreats?

[Cocolove]

I would think that being aware that everything is absolute love, truth, god, would eliminate suffering. I've had awakenings that completely eliminated suffering, showed me that every single quality of consciousness was absolutely PERFECT. So why couldn't someone reside in that awareness. 

[Davino]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That would be Ken Wilber's title.

Yeah, there are degrees to it.

You can only map what you have awoken to, hence your mapping is better; taking into account both the limitations of mapping and its benefits.

 

The two axis is just a pet theory but I find it very very useful. I'll definitely won't catch the ocean in my fist haha

[Davino]

10 minutes ago, Cocolove said:

I would think that being aware that everything is absolute love, truth, god, would eliminate suffering. I've had awakenings that completely eliminated suffering, showed me that every single quality of consciousness was absolutely PERFECT. So why couldn't someone reside in that awareness. 

Because the higher the building the more unstable the base is.

Edited 11 hours ago by Davino

[vibv]

2 minutes ago, Davino said:

Because the higher the building the more unstable the base is.

Except if you're a tree.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

3 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Only if we hit the club after

Disco saucer eyes will match the disco boogie 

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Cocolove said:

I would think that being aware that everything is absolute love, truth, god, would eliminate suffering. I've had awakenings that completely eliminated suffering, showed me that every single quality of consciousness was absolutely PERFECT. So why couldn't someone reside in that awareness. 

I just read stories from the Holocaust. A small Jewish girl asked a Nazi soldier to shoot her instead of going to the gas chambers. So he shot her. Then he threw her body into a burning pit of corpses and walked away. Only to hear her screaming as she was burning alive. The bullet didn't kill her.

You guys have no understanding whatsoever of the horrors and suffering that are possible in this life. You are ignorant of suffering.

Anyone who thinks he is beyond suffering is a deluded idiot.

All of your spirituality will vanish when a Nazi shots you in the face.

You guys need to get real.

Edited 9 hours ago by Leo Gura

[vibv]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

You guys have no understanding whatsoever of the horrors and suffering that are possible in this life. You are ignorant of suffering.

I am perfectly aware of what suffering means.

The misunderstanding lies in confusing pain with suffering. That includes emotional pain.

You're talking about the idea that you would become a spiritual superman that's invulnerable. This is obviously false.

It doesn't even minimize the pain & suffering that girl experienced. It's all real. But in the end you'll see that nobody every suffered. That will be the greatest mindfuck ever, believe me.

And you thought Alien Consciousness was as weird as it gets  

It takes Infinite Intelligence to create suffering in such a way that it doesn't only not damage Absolute Perfection, but it really CAUSES IT! Take that for a riddle.

Even the smallest sting can't be allowed by God to be actually True.

Making it simply not real would be a cop-out.

Edited 8 hours ago by vibv

[Arthogaan]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I just read stories from the Holocaust. A small Jewish girl asked a Nazi soldier to shoot her instead of going to the gas chambers. So he shot her. Then he threw her body into a burning pit of corpses and walked away. Only to hear her screaming as she was burning alive. The bullet didn't kill her.

You guys have no understanding whatsoever of the horrors and suffering that are possible in this life. You are ignorant of suffering.

Anyone who thinks he is beyond suffering is a deluded idiot.

All of your spirituality will vanish when a Nazi shots you in the face.

You guys need to get real.

I still can't wrap my head around into how Infinite Goodness generates the world with such potential for suffering. I know it is infinitely good and I know there is infinite potential for suffering but I can't grasp the mechanics of it. Is it that Goodness wants to explore/imagine physicality/materialism and how it is to be "in a body" and this necessitates the mechanism of pain receptors and suffering so that embodied life is sustained? Or are the horrors imagine not as necessity in creation but more as beutiful aspects to explore on it's own? 

 

[Leo Gura]

38 minutes ago, Arthogaan said:

I still can't wrap my head around into how Infinite Goodness generates the world with such potential for suffering. I know it is infinitely good and I know there is infinite potential for suffering but I can't grasp the mechanics of it. Is it that Goodness wants to explore/imagine physicality/materialism and how it is to be "in a body" and this necessitates the mechanism of pain receptors and suffering so that embodied life is sustained? Or are the horrors imagine not as necessity in creation but more as beutiful aspects to explore on it's own? 

What you're missing is that if you have no self then literally there is no bad.

Bad only exists for an attached self.

God is so conscious that bad cannot exist from its POV.

You're still looking at things from a selfish POV, which is why you are confused by it.

Bad does not exist for a rock.

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura

[sholomar]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I just read stories from the Holocaust. A small Jewish girl asked a Nazi soldier to shoot her instead of going to the gas chambers. So he shot her. Then he threw her body into a burning pit of corpses and walked away. Only to hear her screaming as she was burning alive. The bullet didn't kill her.

You guys have no understanding whatsoever of the horrors and suffering that are possible in this life. You are ignorant of suffering.

Anyone who thinks he is beyond suffering is a deluded idiot.

All of your spirituality will vanish when a Nazi shots you in the face.

You guys need to get real.

Quite true. Even knowing this information about "radical acceptance" it's hard to internalize it. Most people don't stand a chance here. Get born in North Korea and try to preach about radical acceptance of leaders who are hypocrites and live lavish lives totally at contrast to the way they treat their citizens. 

[Leo Gura]

I was reading detailed accounts of how Saddam Hussein's secret police would torture prisons. They would take the prisoner's small children, lock the children in a room with a glass window, throw in a hive of bees, and force the parents to watch through the window as the children ran around screaming while the bees stung them to death.

If you think you understand suffering, think again.

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Zen LaCroix]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

What you're missing is that if you have no self then literally there is no bad.

Bad only exists for an attached self.

God is so conscious that bad cannot exist from its POV.

You're still looking at things from a selfish POV, which is why you are confused by it.

This is where you confuse me with your ideas because you say there's only good and then you go on talking about people being being corrupted and overly materialistic and too focused on money, status, sex survival and just plain greed. How can this be true according to your world view of everything being good.

Edited 7 hours ago by Zen LaCroix

[Arthogaan]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

What you're missing is that if you have no self then literally there is no bad.

Bad only exists for an attached self.

God is so conscious that bad cannot exist from its POV.

You're still looking at things from a selfish POV, which is why you are confused by it.

God is so unbiased that he cannot have any aversion towards pain whatsoever? Can God even feel pain at all? Or he feels it but is so unbiased that it is not really pain to him?

[Leo Gura]

20 minutes ago, Zen LaCroix said:

This is where you confuse me with your ideas because you say there's only good and then you go on talking about people being being corrupted and overly materialistic and too focused on money, status, sex survival and just plain greed. How can this be true according to your world view of everything being good.

Corruption is not a moral issue, it is an issue of lack of consciousness and untruthfulness.

Everything is Good from God's POV. Not from the human POV. Politics is discussed from the human POV. Corruption is a problem for humans.

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Arthogaan said:

God is so unbiased that he cannot have any aversion towards pain whatsoever? Can God even feel pain at all? Or he feels it but is so unbiased that it is not really pain to him?

God is unbiased in the formless sense. But if God is incarnated as a living organism then it is biased against pain.

God can have biases, but that means God is taking on some finite form.

God wears many masks. Each mask is a bias. God can be unbiased but then God is wearing no mask and then God cannot be seen.

If you want total nonbias then you have to accept total formlessness.

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Arthogaan]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

God is unbiased in the formless sense. But if God is incarnated as a living organism then it is biased against pain.

God can have biases, but that means God is taking on some finite form.

God wears many masks. Each mask is a bias. God can be unbiased but then God is wearing no mask and then God cannot be seen.

If you want total nonbias then you have to accept total formlessness.

So in the total formlessness can there be pain at all? Or in it;s purest form God is so Formless that even the form of pain cannot arrise as something unpleasant. 

[Leo Gura]

14 minutes ago, Arthogaan said:

So in the total formlessness can there be pain at all? Or in it;s purest form God is so Formless that even the form of pain cannot arrise as something unpleasant. 

Pain is a form.

Formlessness has nothing in it.

Obviously there cannot be any pain in God's purest state. The annihilation of form is how absolute purity is acheived.

Nothing negative or bad can exist if nothing specific exists. All evil is specific. Absolute Good is nonspecific.

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura

[vibv]

27 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I was reading detailed accounts of how Saddam Hussein's secret police would torture prisons. They would take the prisoner's small children, lock the children in a room with a glass window, throw in a hive of bees, and force the parents to watch through the window as the children ran around screaming while the bees stung them to death.

If you think you understand suffering, think again.

I know and it is breaking my heart.

Edited 7 hours ago by vibv

[Haloman]

Internet is full of mexican gore viedos where people are tortured on the brink of death. I also can't wrap my mind about it why there is a possibility of that kind of horror.

[vibv]

3 minutes ago, Haloman said:

Internet is full of mexican gore viedos where people are tortured on the brink of death. I also can't wrap my mind about it why there is a possibility of that kind of horror.

Humans have been barbaric. But they may go beyond.