Who Wants Actualized Psychedelic Retreats?

[Water by the River]

1 hour ago, zurew said:

If you replace the Absolute with Existence (which I think is less ambigous and more clear what it is pointing to) then it becomes clear why non-dualists object to things like "You can go beyond Existence" or "You can go beyond Reality".

Yes.

[vibv]

10 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

At which level does suffering cease?  

 

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't know. That's not a level per se, that is something you would need to specifically train for. And even then highly doubt any human has truly stopped all suffering. People like to say such things but I have never seen such a person.

You can be highly conscious but still suffer because suffering is so baked into biology.

Suffering is a second-level phenomenon and therefore avoidable.

You can suffer without suffering, because you can see the perfection in it while it happens.
Sometimes the one who suffers is precisely the one you must let go now.

Love goes beyond suffering.

Edited 12 hours ago by vibv

[zurew]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Sorry that it sounds unfair or arrogant, but I can't do anything about that. I can't make it fair. You just need more consciousness. This isn't a philosophy debate about intellectual merits or logic. You are just lacking consciousness and no amount of explanation can give it to you.

I still dont undertand how you reject "true by definition" statements. This is why I said that you redefining the term enlightenment isn't an honest engagement with what the nondualists are saying. The label is irrelevant the shared meaning is whats relevant (this is why Unborntao suggested that if you really want you can label that shared meaning as 'Godrealization' if you prefer that label over enlightenment). If you use the same definition for enlightenment as they do, then you cant say that enlightement is an illusion because by their definition it cant be an illusion, the correct way to object to that is to say that none of them are enlightened, given how they defined enlightenment.

Edited 12 hours ago by zurew

[vibv]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I have not found a level where suffering ceases, unless you are dead.

Except that you are immortal. The sufferer isn't.

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, vibv said:

Except that you are immortal. The sufferer isn't.

Let's hit you in the head with a hammer and test your theory.

[vibv]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Let's hit you in the head with a hammer and test your theory.

I did not say that I wouldn't feel hurt, physically as well as emotionally. But I AM not the sufferer and it is possible to be aware of that. It is possible for the sufferer to die and then you will awaken to the fact that that was not you at all.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

I always thought the word 'unnecessary' was really important in Ralston's 'Ending Unnecessary Suffering'.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

5 minutes ago, vibv said:

I did not say that I wouldn't feel hurt, physically as well as emotionally. But I AM not the sufferer and it is possible to be aware of that. It is possible for the sufferer to die and then you will awaken to the fact that that was not you at all.

Are you sure you aren't referring to aversion - which can lead to suffering?

[vibv]

54 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Are you sure you aren't referring to aversion - which can lead to suffering?

I’m not talking about aversion, which would be a kind of addiction and therefore unconscious.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

8 minutes ago, vibv said:

I’m not talking about aversion, which would be a kind of addiction and therefore unconscious.

Alright no worries! Aversion, like craving, are both the progenitors of suffering.

The aversion is source of suffering. Equanimity being the balance between the two (craving/aversion) - the merging of the duality.

Aversion is the turning away (duality) that separates from the experience. Generating resistance. 

I ask is mostly people conflate suffering and aversion/craving.

 

[vibv]

4 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Alright no worries! Aversion, like craving, are both the progenitors of suffering.

The aversion is source of suffering. Equanimity being the balance between the two (craving/aversion) - the merging of the duality.

Aversion is the turning away (duality) that separates from the experience. Generating resistance. 

I ask is mostly people conflate suffering and aversion/craving.

 

Nothing disappears. But you will experience it totally different.

Don't think that this was simple or easy in any way. It took my whole life falling completely apart to be where I am now.

The last step is Grace. You don't do it yourself. The whole world collapses in that moment, but nothing disappears. In my case only my room existed for a couple of days (no human contact, but not even human noises outside or when I went for a walk).

It completely feels like dying on a deeply emotional level. And it is. You become aware of what always has been the case: You ARE dying, but you run around and do everything to keep it going—but now you can't run anymore. It took a situation where I literally gave up my whole life.

I EVEN had to let go of my Life Purpose! And it came back to me as a part of reality itself, as if existence assimilated my whole energy and memory. Then I died. This is not my work now.

We're all alone in this together.

Oh and by the way, important reminder: I am still fully human, too!

I feel and experience everything exactly the same! Except that there is now a constant opening, which you could call....death. That's why all the time characters and egos appear (also from past lives and also from other's lives as well.. which is supremely weird) but they immediately begin to desintegrate when I abide in that awareness. This is even possible while I'm in public or even while talking to someone.

You could say Death is now my modus operandi. It has become the fundament instead of the ego. Surprisingly this opens a connection to Divine Intelligence, which I very much enjoy. This is also what this world (Humanity) needs the most right now. We're not very intelligent creatures, but the good news is that connection to a higher form of Intelligence is possible.

In this way that process will now still go on for quite a while (characters appearing, dying, integrating) until I'm really ready to step into the public, which I definitely plan to do at some point.

You could call it True Suicide. Because what we call death is merely a process of recycling.

Edited 6 hours ago by vibv

[Mada_]

More than anything. But I’m probably at least 5 years away in terms of personal, financial and physical development to be a suitable student

[Terell Kirby]

7 hours ago, Mada_ said:

More than anything. But I’m probably at least 5 years away in terms of personal, financial and physical development to be a suitable student

That’s very wise- though you might be more mature and ripe for higher consciousness than you initially thought

Edited 1 hour ago by Terell Kirby