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Conservative activist, Charlie Kirk, has been shot and killed at University

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3 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

The biggest influence would probably be whose side will most of the military be on. 

What do you think? Is most of the military stage green?


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6 minutes ago, carterfelder said:

"It's worth to have the cost of, unfortunately, some guns deaths each year so we can have the 2nd Amendment."

This logic makes perfect sense. Think about auto accidents, for example. As long as we have cars being operated by humans, we will have many deaths. There's always a price to pay for the complex tools we use. Self-driving cars will soon end our car-driving privileges, because it will eventually become safe enough to drastically reduce auto accidents and deaths.

Except cars are necessary and American gun culture is not. The rest of the world lives fine without owning 15 guns per household.


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5 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

My position is that violence can lead to a positive change under right circumstances and that it's very simplistic, naive, and black and white to say that it can't and that "violence is never an asnwer", etc.

Are you insinuating that Charlie Kirk's assassination will lead to some positive progressive change in US democracy?

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@Mathdaddyg  Also Charlie Kirk only would have had empathy for people in his own echo chamber bubble. He lacks the basic capacity to see through his own biases and actually think about what he is saying about Palestinians may actually be disrespectful to people. As long as it lines up with his views he’s happy but anything outside of that he literally can’t create a good debate without referencing his own thinking or beliefs about conservatism.

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1 minute ago, Something Funny said:

My position is that violence can lead to a positive change under right circumstances and that it's very simplistic, naive, and black and white to say that it can't and that "violence is never an asnwer", etc.

If you take a long enough view, everything leads to good.

Nuking Hishoshima turned out good in the long run.


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Just now, Recursoinominado said:

What do you think? Is most of the military stage green?

Nobody will think in terms of stage green or not stage green. Nobody will be fighting for trans value or whatever, this is silly. The war would be about classical American values, that even a lot of stage blue people can resonate with vs unhinged fascists. 

Are you saying that military people love Trump? I doubt that this is the case.

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2 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

Are you saying that military people love Trump?

Of course a majority of them do. The military will always lean conservative.

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10 minutes ago, carterfelder said:

"It's worth to have the cost of, unfortunately, some guns deaths each year so we can have the 2nd Amendment."

This logic makes perfect sense. Think about auto accidents, for example. As long as we have cars being operated by humans, we will have many deaths. There's always a price to pay for the complex tools we use. Self-driving cars will soon end our car-driving privileges, because it will eventually become safe enough to drastically reduce auto accidents and deaths.

Except you need a driver’s license, pass driving tests, renew them, and can have your driving privileges revoked for DUI’s and such….  not as much care is put into who can own a gun and how they do.

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2 minutes ago, Terell Kirby said:

Are you insinuating that Charlie Kirk's assassination will lead to some positive progressive change in US democracy?

Laughable.

 

Are you strawmanning my position because you have no actual response?

Laughable.

Where did I say anything about Charlie Kirk? I brought up specific counter-examples to what you've said. 

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2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Nuking Hishoshima turned out good in the long run.

Maybe good for folks living in Japan today

Relatively speaking ... if we were in Japan in 1945, I'm sure we wouldn't think this way

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With AI, car safety can become very high.


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53 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No, this is false if you know political science. There are no far left parties in America.

Americans who think Dems or progressives are far left have no understanding of political science or global political history. They are just consuming right wing news.

No far left party has ever held office in America.

True.

Though:

On 3/15/2025 at 0:14 AM, Leo Gura said:

They are still very left relative to the rest of the country.

The problem is that leftists are so out of touch with how conservative and traditional most of the country is because they only listen to themselves.

 

However, I think that the Democratic party has gone too far to the left on social issues, while still being too much to the right on economic issues for decades, despite having shifted more and more back to New Deal style economic stances since the election of Obama in 2008 and the rise of the progressive movement in the mid 2010s.

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From what I understand, I think it is the escalating world tension which is the cause of this incident primarily.

As much as I understand the suppression of any actual left is at an obscene level in US politics, this seems to be due to the ongoing wars globally. I mean we are but a few steps away from a world war, and people representing sides or countries in that will sadly and unfortunately be targets of political violence.

Though perhaps if the suppression of the left (not the rightwing center the democrats sit in, the left) was not so obscene, and natural equilibrium could be allowed to play out, incidents like this explosive violence would be minimized either way.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

Where did I say anything about Charlie Kirk? I brought up specific counter-examples to what you've said. 

That is fair, you did not mention Charlie Kirk specifically, my bad.

I do hear you on the relativity of political violence, however-I can't see this recent event turning out to be good US democracy and political discourse, at least in short to mid term. But that's me- maybe my view is too limited.

MLK was assassinated in similar fashion- was that a good? Depends on who you talk to-for white supremacist, yes. Did it strengthen the civil rights movement? To a degree it did- but what if he survived, would we have more progress? All these are open questions.

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2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course a majority of them do. The military will always lean conservative.

In my opinion, this is beyond just being conservative. 

The way I see it, having Trump as your commander in chief should feel like an insult to most military people. He is like a complete opposite of them, a caricature. A corrupt, hedonistic, golden baby draft dodger vs common people who work and train hard daily and actually die for their country.

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8 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

Are you saying that military people love Trump? I doubt that this is the case.

In the US, it should be a bit better than here in Brazil, but our military forces (+90%) are far-right/fascist, even the police forces. 


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1 minute ago, BlueOak said:

@BlueOak From what I understand, I think it is the escalating world tension which is the cause of this: 

from what perspective America? lol The rest of the world is fine America your cactus.

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1 minute ago, Something Funny said:

In my opinion, this is beyond just being conservative. 

The way I see it, having Trump as your commander in chief should feel like an insult to most military people. He is like a complete opposite of them, a caricature. A corrupt, hedonistic, golden baby draft dodger vs common people who work and train hard daily and actually die for their country.

Most of them are not developed enough to see that. It's blind patriotism.


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Imagine being a vet who was sent  to the middle east and now has PTSD for life from experiencing actual war, and seeing Trump Rambo posters. That must feel like a sick joke, lol

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