I Escaped a Cult - Monastic Academy for the Preservation of Life on Earth Review

[Consilience]

I don't have the time (or energy) to read through all of these replies, currently responding to an all out attack from MAPLE on my channel and the aftermath for those most impacted from the assault. 

I would greatly appreciate the community doesn't turn this thread into a debate about whether Actualized.org is a cult. Even if it has cult like characteristics and is defined as a cult by certain standards, the level of nervous system hijacking and injury, the elements of energetic rape and domination of mind, body, and reality present at MAPLE is in a league of its own compared to Actualized.org.

Having been apart of both communities throughout my spiritual journey, comparing the two as both being cults like trying to compare tee ball with the major leagues. And until you've stepped in front of a cult leader like Soryu for an extended period of time, you don't know what you're talking about. 

The only caveat I will say is that I'm not super present on the forum these days so perhaps the cult dynamics of Actualized.org have gotten worse recently, but I would be utterly shocked if Actualized.org even had the potential to turn into anything remotely like MAPLE.

Please start another thread about Actualized.org being a cult if you'd like. It could be an important discussion. But in this thread, this dialogue distracts from an on-going present moment cult situation I am actively having to navigate. 

Edited 23 hours ago by Consilience

[zurew]

I will leave this here and I will stop derailing your thread.

This speaks for itself and everyone can judge things for themselves.

This is exactly and explicitly how much actualized.org is about doing the work and not about Leo being the judge and an authority:

13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

No. I am speaking about a higher realization.

I am not going to negotiate on the word GOD.

I will know when you know GOD.

 

Also take a look at how non-responsive Leo's answer was to Carl's question and how Leo exactly engaged in the dynamic that Carl was predicting based on Leo's manipulative and weasely tactics. 

On 2026. 06. 09. at 4:34 PM, Carl-Richard said:

Without using mind control on me (i.e. answer plainly without redirecting, without accusing me of not understanding or being purportedly disrespectful for having a different opinion), what is mind control?

16 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Carl-Richard: Walks into a math classroom at Harvard. "Hey! Isn't this a cult?"

Professor: "Umm... No. This is a math class on Differential Calculus."

Carl-Richard: "Looks awfully similar to a cult in here. Look at this mind control you're doing here."

Professor: "We are learning advanced math."

Carl-Richard: "Isn't this homework you're giving your cult members mind control? Explain to me without using mind control how this is not mind control."

Professor: "Get the fuck out of my classroom!!!"

Carl-Richard: "AH! So you're a cult leader after all! I knew it!"

 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by zurew

[Consilience]

@zurew Alright fair, point taken. This is quite similar with the hierarchy of "wisdom" from MAPLE. Seems like the main difference is the degree of power consolidation accumulated on the basis of the authority. So at MAPLE, as you were rewarded with the admission of "wisdom" by the head teacher, and moved up the chain of command, you were simultaneously rewarded in the sense that you had more decision making power of the day to day unfolding of the community, but more and more deeply extracted from in terms of personal autonomy and sovereignty. Those closest in leadership all speak, talk, and act based on very consistent psychological scripts provided by Soryu. It's literally like watching a mind virus just say the same things over and over, almost no creativity, originality, or authenticity. Which yeah, a lot of the God language around here seems to fall into a similar camp, hopefully without the extraction of life energy component.  

[Osaid]

10 hours ago, Thought Art said:

my brother Billow. 

Ball knowledge

[Human Mint]

@Consilience Gotcha, good luck. The cult discussion is hot these days.

[Mellowmarsh]

Groupthink is the engine behind cultish behaviour. And that’s okay because you can’t stop thinking.

 

There’s no escape, because even when you think you’ve escaped you’re still tricked by the very thought that you’ve escaped, and there’s nowhere to escape to or from.

Edited 7 hours ago by Mellowmarsh

[Carl-Richard]

Just to be clear before we move the current discussion to this thread per OP's request (link), the point was not to show Actualized.org is a cult. It was to ask what a cult is. Actualized.org was being invoked when trying to figure out what mind control is. Because if you aren't able to distinguish Actualized.org leader's communications from mind control and you don't want to call Actualized.org a cult, that's trouble for your definition of cult involving mind control. Especially when you don't even want to define mind control like Leo is doing. And I believe my most recent points on that were not challenged so you can take me up on that in the other thread.

Me personally, I'm fine with calling Actualized.org a cult regardless of the mind control concept (which I believe to be ill-defined) and I don't believe cults need to be particularly destructive, abusive or exploitative to be called a cult. Actualized.org could be heaven on Earth and I would probably still call it a cult given its type of beliefs and practices (being deviant in nature compared to the surrounding society and religious in nature). And if Leo displays some behaviors that could be defined as mind control, it might only be a minor problem relative to other cults, particularly given the format (not being a live in-person thing). But don't be surprised and don't take it so hard when other people want to call you a cult.

Cults like MAPLE, Bentinho Massaro's community, Heaven's Gate, explicitly called themselves a cult and they were fine with it (they didn't see it as a negative thing). Maybe you could too. And maybe there are aspects of a cult that can make you feel hurt or destabilized even when the "mind control" is relatively minor (e.g., merely taking on highly deviant beliefs and experiencing alienation from society, friends, family, is not a joke, neither for them or yourself; you can feel like you don't belong and you can come off as threathening or hard to relate to or you might leave them all together; alienating yourself from your friends and family is highly threatening both for them and you). Maybe it would be smart to recognize that, as a community that prides itself on epistemic rigor and self-awareness.

Edited 1 hour ago by Carl-Richard