Finally a true god realization

[Eskilon]

40 minutes ago, Davino said:

I don't think you're seriously contemplating what I'm saying. I can give you the answer but that's like resolving the problem for you.

I am I really am. I feel like cracking this its the same as being immortal, because youre essentially cracking what nothing is(as far as I understand).

@Davino From reading the thread, deep sleep is consciousness, but theres no memory of you there. So theres cessation, there is no feelings, nothing which you are familiar in the waking state.

What we usually associate as ourselfs, in the ordinary sense, its just a thought, or a memory. So then, when you have none of that in deep sleep, the you as you conceptualize or understand, is basically dead.

Ramana Maharshi talks about there are 3 states of human existence: Dreaming, waking, and deep sleep. He says that the deep sleep is closest to your true nature. As I currently making sense of it, it's the pure you -- whithout any memory or form.

I get the feeling I wont really crack this unless I am in a significantly altered state of consciousness.

@Leo Gura What's your understanding of deep sleep, do you agree with Ramana? That it is the state that is more close to your true nature?

 

[Davino]

@Eskilon you'll have to figure it out for yourself, but here is my understanding.

If you are very precise with your first hand experience. What is really happening? You get into bed, close your eyes and then you open them and the whole scenario has changed. There is absolutely no gap in consciousness. What is happening is a change in the state and space of consciousness in an instant. You have an expanded sense of time and the space around you has changed as well as the sensations. Well like in a dream when it spawns, there may be the same sensations of time and space. Or like a videogame, it's all night you click the button to sleep and in just an instant there is the transition. And then someone's comes and says what has all the Minecraft world been doing at night? See that is the misunderstanding. To think that reality is independent of your mind and POV.

It's so radical the answer to deep sleep because it synergizes very deep truths. As only your experience exists, the universe and others are not happening while you sleep, there is no sleep in your experience, and realising that your experience is the only one and that you're imagining the whole world then you realize: OH WOW! IT'S ABSOLUTELY GENIUS. What is really happening is the most efficient and perfect way of organising Reality. I'm hitting the bed, consciousness is constant and there's just a change in space and scenario and this is possible because reality is my imagination and it does so in a seamless perfect way.

For getting this you'd have to deconstruct all of materialism and humanity. Why? Because materialism tells us that 1 reality happens while you're asleep and independent of your experience. 2 Because being human assumes a relative position in the dream in the same way that Steve does in Minecraft.

Deep sleep does NOT exist. Consciousness is absolutely continuous. This is what happens when you directly contact your experience in the sleep animation transition.

[Someone here]

2 hours ago, Davino said:

@Eskilon you'll have to figure it out for yourself, but here is my understanding.

If you are very precise with your first hand experience. What is really happening? You get into bed, close your eyes and then you open them and the whole scenario has changed. There is absolutely no gap in consciousness. What is happening is a change in the state and space of consciousness in an instant. You have an expanded sense of time and the space around you has changed as well as the sensations. Well like in a dream when it spawns, there may be the same sensations of time and space. Or like a videogame, it's all night you click the button to sleep and in just an instant there is the transition. And then someone's comes and says what has all the Minecraft world been doing at night? See that is the misunderstanding. To think that reality is independent of your mind and POV.

It's so radical the answer to deep sleep because it synergizes very deep truths. As only your experience exists, the universe and others are not happening while you sleep, there is no sleep in your experience, and realising that your experience is the only one and that you're imagining the whole world then you realize: OH WOW! IT'S ABSOLUTELY GENIUS. What is really happening is the most efficient and perfect way of organising Reality. I'm hitting the bed, consciousness is constant and there's just a change in space and scenario and this is possible because reality is my imagination and it does so in a seamless perfect way.

For getting this you'd have to deconstruct all of materialism and humanity. Why? Because materialism tells us that 1 reality happens while you're asleep and independent of your experience. 2 Because being human assumes a relative position in the dream in the same way that Steve does in Minecraft.

Deep sleep does NOT exist. Consciousness is absolutely continuous. This is what happens when you directly contact your experience in the sleep animation transition.

A question: do you actually buy this bullshit? 

I repeat..ACTUALLY..which means you have to forget for a moment that you are a green colored word in a forum .

Edited yesterday at 11:42 AM by Someone here

[Natasha Tori Maru]

10 minutes ago, Someone here said:

A question: do you actually buy this bullshit? 

I repeat..ACTUALLY..which means you have to forget for a moment that you are a green colored word in a forum .

💀🤣 Keisaku inc 

[Someone here]

@Natasha Tori Maru what's that ? I'm not gonna Google it .

[Davino]

38 minutes ago, Someone here said:

A question: do you actually buy this bullshit? 

I repeat..ACTUALLY..which means you have to forget for a moment that you are a green colored word in a forum .

It flew way way over your head what I said. 

It's okay, it will be the same for other users. The only difference is the open-mindedness and desire to understand what is deep sleep. It took me many years, most people will forget this inquiry by the end of the week. That's the difference. Will you spend the next 5 years researching and experimenting on this inquiry?

No. You'll just say nah it's bullshit and move on with your life feeling so good about yourself.

As I said before, the problem to grasp this question, which is seemingly trivial, is that it requires a collection of very hard-earned Awakenings plus devoted work to crack the question. So the problem is 1 you don't have the previous qualifications 2 you don't care about the question either.

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, Davino said:

so radical the answer to deep sleep because it synergizes very deep truths. As only your experience exists, the universe and others are not happening while you sleep,

That implies that infinity has a center and that center is you. It would be a limit in infinity, and that's impossible 

Edited yesterday at 01:56 PM by Breakingthewall

[Someone here]

@Davino i was joking brother lol. You seem to have passion around this exact point about sleep I've heard you making this Same  point before . It's cool and interesting but for goodness sake let's just not completely go nuts here .if spiritual awakening means insanity then I don't want it . 

[Eskilon]

7 hours ago, Davino said:

you'll have to figure it out for yourself, but here is my understanding.

If you are very precise with your first hand experience. What is really happening? You get into bed, close your eyes and then you open them and the whole scenario has changed. There is absolutely no gap in consciousness. What is happening is a change in the state and space of consciousness in an instant. You have an expanded sense of time and the space around you has changed as well as the sensations. Well like in a dream when it spawns, there may be the same sensations of time and space. Or like a videogame, it's all night you click the button to sleep and in just an instant there is the transition. And then someone's comes and says what has all the Minecraft world been doing at night? See that is the misunderstanding. To think that reality is independent of your mind and POV.

It's so radical the answer to deep sleep because it synergizes very deep truths. As only your experience exists, the universe and others are not happening while you sleep, there is no sleep in your experience, and realising that your experience is the only one and that you're imagining the whole world then you realize: OH WOW! IT'S ABSOLUTELY GENIUS. What is really happening is the most efficient and perfect way of organising Reality. I'm hitting the bed, consciousness is constant and there's just a change in space and scenario and this is possible because reality is my imagination and it does so in a seamless perfect way.

For getting this you'd have to deconstruct all of materialism and humanity. Why? Because materialism tells us that 1 reality happens while you're asleep and independent of your experience. 2 Because being human assumes a relative position in the dream in the same way that Steve does in Minecraft.

Deep sleep does NOT exist. Consciousness is absolutely continuous. This is what happens when you directly contact your experience in the sleep animation transition.

I see. I understand that nothing ever existed outside my experience, I am always where it happens. This has always been the case, to deny this is to assume many things, it is perfectly logical. However, I dont truly know who Am I yet, not at the level of being, of undeniability of rolling of the ground in esctasy after knowing it, I didnt experience that yet.

And I agree that in sleep you are basically just chaning scenery, even deep sleep might be that. It makes perfect sense, but I don't feel transformed after understanding this, so probably not a truly real understanding yet.

I know I am not a thought, because I am the one who is aware of the thoughts, I am observing them. I know I am not any sensation, because I can observe every sensation. The closest thing I have reached so far is, I am attention. What does that mean? When you focus on some part of your body and start feeling, that is the "thing" I think I am. Not the sensation of my arms, legs, or any thing, but the awareness that allows for me to feel and experience things. This awareness doesnt seem to have form or anything and also doesnt seem to be located anywhere, it is empty. But I can know and experience things through it. But again, I haven't been in deep bliss and a feeling of awakening or exhilaration (like that of suddenly being aware in a lucid dream) so there's definetly still more to untangle and comprehend.

Thanks for your insight, God bless

Edited yesterday at 05:31 PM by Eskilon

[Eskilon]

5 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

💀🤣 Keisaku inc 

@Natasha Tori Maru What's your insight on deep sleep? I am curious to know what you know about it.. Natasha-sama🙏🧎😳

Edited yesterday at 05:37 PM by Eskilon

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Eskilon or... What I -do not- know about it 😈 🧩

This topic is like a hammer to the brain. But first - is the question pertaining to the entire state of consciousness that is sleep, or, the phase of deep sleep in particular? I've done the most -experiental- work in the hypnagogic states, lucid dreaming (more akin to dream state). I will regurgitate some words based on the answer to the above ☺️

I can tell you it is a state. To experience a state, or state change, you do not need to think. I experience sleep as the most contrasting state. Self is 100% out the door. Ctrl+alt+delete process stopped. However I still experience narratives relating to a self, but it's not my waking sense of self there. In hypnagogic states or dream states - there is certainly experience happening. You can experience feelings in these states, recall colours, words, sounds, textures. 

In fact I had several dreams last night with Carl-Richard, aurum, rendheaven & sugarcoat. I have a dream log, and I dream every single night, 6/7 distinct dreams. I know these users had a form in the dream, but I noted them on the log as appearing as a flat image avatar with a name above. Additionally I track my sleep with a Garmin and note what it collects on the log. So I keep a long term systematic log of fucked up states to be able to look for patterns. 

Also I intentionally induce hypnagogic states and lucid dreaming once or twice a week as am exploration exercise. Deep sleep with no apparent experience is another state entirely.

Anyway I digress and didn't answer. 

To sum up - the question pertains to the entire category of sleep? 😴 😜

[Sugarcoat]

10 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Eskilon or... What I -do not- know about it 😈 🧩

This topic is like a hammer to the brain. But first - is the question pertaining to the entire state of consciousness that is sleep, or, the phase of deep sleep in particular? I've done the most -experiental- work in the hypnagogic states, lucid dreaming (more akin to dream state). I will regurgitate some words based on the answer to the above ☺️

I can tell you it is a state. To experience a state, or state change, you do not need to think. I experience sleep as the most contrasting state. Self is 100% out the door. Ctrl+alt+delete process stopped. However I still experience narratives relating to a self, but it's not my waking sense of self there. In hypnagogic states or dream states - there is certainly experience happening. You can experience feelings in these states, recall colours, words, sounds, textures. 

In fact I had several dreams last night with Carl-Richard, aurum, rendheaven & sugarcoat. I have a dream log, and I dream every single night, 6/7 distinct dreams. I know these users had a form in the dream, but I noted them on the log as appearing as a flat image avatar with a name above. Additionally I track my sleep with a Garmin and note what it collects on the log. So I keep a long term systematic log of fucked up states to be able to look for patterns. 

Also I intentionally induce hypnagogic states and lucid dreaming once or twice a week as am exploration exercise. Deep sleep with no apparent experience is another state entirely.

Anyway I digress and didn't answer. 

To sum up - the question pertains to the entire category of sleep? 😴 😜

That’s so cool. Funny that you mentioned me too

I have always been fascinated by these different states of sleep

For example I have had at least 50 episodes of sleep paralysis in my life and I’m still young

I reached a point where I was no longer scared of them at all, so instead I explore them, and they sometimes turn into astral projection

I have been visited by a presence during sleep paralysis who told me a deep spiritual truth, I’m convinced it wasn’t a hallucination 

I have felt massive vibrations and energies during it

i don’t have a lot of experience of hypnagogic states but I’ve had some cool stuff happen like a clairvoyance event

It all just fascinates me. I think there’s potential for exploration

 

Edited 20 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Breakingthewall]

5 hours ago, Eskilon said:

I see. I understand that nothing ever existed outside my experience, I am always where it happens. This has always been the case, to deny this is to assume many things, it is perfectly logical. However, I dont truly know who Am I yet

Good intuition. All that stuff about deep sleep and consciousness is absolutely irrelevant, what is real is the substance of reality, not its structure. 

About deep sleep, it's just an interruption in the conciousness, it's the same than death, it's in another plane of the reality: what doesn't exist. Existence is what's happens, the becoming, deep sleep doesn't happen, it's out of the happening, but that doesn't means that it isn't real. Happening is the movement of the reality, then the absence of happening is just the reality still. 

[cetus]

Finally a true god realization.

Funny how once you're realized, God was never far away. In fact, unbelievably close. Like no separation. Look around and know that your eyes are Gods eyes. "They are not two".

Edited 18 hours ago by cetus

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Sugarcoat Much of my experience mirrors yours 😊

During all these strange happenings I can see my body altering it's rhythms through data. During dreams breathing rate, body temperature and heartrate are elevated. The dream consciousness is powerful enough to alter the state of the body. What else can our consciousness do to control body states? Huge realms of unknowns to explore. Assuredly pain can be controlled - I have experienced this.

The brain paralyses the body so we don't act out dreams. If you freeze your body and do not move an inch, resisting the urge to move (which is the brains check method for sleep) while slowing breathing you can trigger lucid dreams. I can control the reality there and do quite often. It's very seductive so I have to actively stop myself from spending half the weekend in dreams. Sleep paralysis events also - your consciousness engages with some form of reality but the body is still paralyzed. 

Overall the common theme is to go in actively managing and mitigating fear. I take the fear state in with me (my experience) and it's never good. 

The dream I had last night with you and carl 'We are at Monash Medical centre. The passive firewall I built doesn't terminate at the roof slab and there is an opening. Carl and Sugarcoat are on the other side of the wall. The fire door between us is locked. To complete the junction of the wall and the slab we need to levitate the balloons above the firewall. Small red balloons are rising up and above and falling to me. Carl is teaching Sugarcoat to first make them rise and fall, then move vertically to reach me. 'then, let go, it will fall to Tash on the other side'. The dream shifts and we are levitating all colours of balloons back and forth. Carl sends one filled with M&Ms that explodes on the floor. Infection control come in and lose their shit' 

That's all for that one - if you were curious 🙃

 

Edited 18 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

 dream

Gosh i have lots and the weirdest dreams too. Also lots of sleep paralysis but i’m glad that’s mostly gone. And half sleep half wake stuff. Elevation sleep paralysis dreams. What’s also weird is my first memory in my life is a dream i think. Anywho it’s not really important.
 

 

[cetus]

On 7/15/2025 at 1:23 PM, emil1234 said:

Consciousness, god, desires non existence, but it can never achieve it.

 What would you expect with all the ego's holding existence in place. If everyone became God realized all at once the world and all experience would instantly cease to exist.  Then and only then would Gods desire for non-existence be fulfilled. I say we all join in and give a hand by becoming non-existent.

* We may need a few more members to offset the balance.

Edited 17 hours ago by cetus

[Eskilon]

5 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

or... What I -do not- know about it 😈 🧩

She a puzzle demon 😈... tricking us with her intelligence and charm🤯😳

 

5 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I can tell you it is a state. To experience a state, or state change, you do not need to think. I experience sleep as the most contrasting state. Self is 100% out the door. Ctrl+alt+delete process stopped. However I still experience narratives relating to a self, but it's not my waking sense of self there. In hypnagogic states or dream states - there is certainly experience happening. You can experience feelings in these states, recall colours, words, sounds, textures. 

I have experieced this too. Every sensantion that we have here is the same there, no difference at all. The biggest difference is the sense of self, but you can remember some things that your self from life knows in your lucid dream. Crazy.

 

5 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

n fact I had several dreams last night with Carl-Richard, aurum, rendheaven & sugarcoat. I have a dream log, and I dream every single night, 6/7 distinct dreams. I know these users had a form in the dream, but I noted them on the log as appearing as a flat image avatar with a name above. Additionally I track my sleep with a Garmin and note what it collects on the log. So I keep a long term systematic log of fucked up states to be able to look for patterns. 

That`s interesting and funny that you dreamed with actualize.org users😅🤣. I only dreamed with Leo once, he was mad weird in that dream, a stoner, lmao😂.

I too keep some notes about my dreams, I have very weird dreams, but I can recall most of them. I heard this is rare among people, most people dont remember their dreams.

5 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

To sum up - the question pertains to the entire category of sleep? 😴 😜

I actually was interested in knowing what`s your position on deep sleep in particular, since its the most mysterious to me, and with deep spiritual significance🧐. 

Edited 15 hours ago by Eskilon

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Eskilon Deep sleep. Hmm.

I had a think on this during this mornings run. To be quite frank I have a deep - not knowing - of this. These are my raw, unprocessed thoughts (subject to further refinement, lucky I don't give 2 shits about being wrong. I am wrong all the time! Well... my thoughts are wrong...not, as we shall say that *I* am wrong :P)

Deep sleep = consciousness alone. There are no distinctions present. A pure state, absent of objects, but not absent of being. Mental activity is gone, but consciousness doesn't go away. To me it seems beingness persists, but there is no process of registering anything. I am alive - but there is an absence of self-awareness. No memory. No narrative. Could we look at it as a state of pure potentiality of consciousness? Perhaps so, if we look at waking states being a kinetic form of consciousness. 

I must admit I have tried to perceive my transition into or out of it. I haven't pushed sleep states to this realm but it's making me want to feast into that experience. The boring or mundane experiences of life are the best ones to explore as they are the overlooked.

Writing this all out makes me now question:

What's aware of the absence of consciousness? It's possible to go into self-defeating loops here. I am not about that as I don't think we can come to solid conclusions.

There is meta-awareness that suggests some continuity - before, after and absence in between. We sort of carry this meta-awareness over the boundary, like beadcrumbs... 

Overall, to my thoughts: we don't go unconscious during deep sleep. We stop identifying with experiences due to the breakdown of distinctions. The awareness that knows nothing is still aware... Just not of objects.

All this is relative. Not Absolute. I don't like to scramble my own eggs by trying to pull the 2 domains together in these sorts of mind abstractions. They can feel like you are making progress, but detract from the reality experience 

 

[Eskilon]

2 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Deep sleep = consciousness alone. There are no distinctions present. A pure state, absent of objects, but not absent of being. Mental activity is gone, but consciousness doesn't go away. To me it seems beingness persists, but there is no process of registering anything. I am alive - but there is an absence of self-awareness. No memory. No narrative. Could we look at it as a state of pure potentiality of consciousness? Perhaps so, if we look at waking states being a kinetic form of consciousness. 

I see. This is my current understanding of it too. You are there, but not aware of anything in particular, so it`s basically nothing? No movement, no form, no qualia, just " ".

I feel like really cracking what deep sleep is, might be intimately related with awakening, because you have no boundaries there, not any form, but you still is, but right now we are not aware of that. We need to do the impossible and realize that which you can't really realize in the conventional way of what realizing is.

2 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

What's aware of the absence of consciousness?

I think that might be you with the captial Y. But I don't know at the moment soo, yeah. 

2 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

All this is relative. Not Absolute. I don't like to scramble my own eggs by trying to pull the 2 domains together in these sorts of mind abstractions. They can feel like you are making progress, but detract from the reality experience

Hmm, I feel like deep sleep might be pointing to what Absolute is. A nothing is a nothing irrespective of who or what is trying to grasp it. This is how I understand it anyway🤠

Edited 12 hours ago by Eskilon