Finally a true god realization

[strangelooper]

If god wanted non existence it could have that, just simulate sleep eternally and it's as if you don't exist 

[emil1234]

@strangelooper sleep doesnt ever really happen. you just experience waking up. you imagine that gap in the past

[ExploringReality]

@emil1234 that's a gnarly way to put it. Technically speaking you are right. I have been conscious in deep dreamless sleep and it's so hard to explain.

[Bogdan]

@Sugarcoat So, my explanation will be a  bit all over the place - ultimately if you follow Leo's work, (which will also point you to the importance of studying other relevant teachers), do hardcore meditation retreats, and use psychedelics and self inquiry and deconstruct the ego and have tons of mystical experiences you'll be able to understand for yourself better than anyone could ever explain.

But here goes - the way i understand it is that Reality has a sort of infinite Logic to it.

And basically if you ask powerful enough questions, you will eventually find infinity/Love/Reality/Truth in anything.

And so i suppose we could start by asking "what is anything?", or what is A THING?

I sat with this question for years - and had the insight that i have no fucking clue, because i need an infinite chain of causality to explain ANY particular "thing".

Because no one "thing" or "form" can really have an existence of it's own, separate from Infinity, things are actually infinity itself. Basically any "object" is actually how infinity looks and sounds and feels like, as if from the outside.

Every "thing" is a distinction made in Reality, by the instrument of the survival mind. The survival mind is also paradoxically a distinction made by the survival mind.

Then we can sort of ask - well, then... every thing is actually EVERYTHING?

What type of "thing" can be paradoxically everything and not everything at once like that? 

This is where human language starts to really break down.

The answer is Paradoxical.

NO THING. Literally there is NO "thing" that can do or be everything. A bottle is by definition (of the human mind) a bottle, and not anything else

But another way to read that sentence is Nothing CAN Do/Be Everything.

So... In Reality, there are no multiple things. There is just one big fat, Ultimate Thing of All Things - Anything/Everything/Nothing.

It's just that the human mind's idea of relative nothing does not realize that Real Nothing is Infinite.

In the Imaginary Time Before Time, what was there?

Of course it's infinitely logical that the answer is Nothing.

Nothing is the only "thing" that "needs nothing" to exist. And luckily, Nothing "HAS" Nothing 🤣

AND SO IT "IS/Was"

Thing is (<--- LOL, the cosmic joke baked into language) by the same Logic, Nothing needs nothing to be anything, everything, infinite.

When you take any "thing" and make it infinite, it stops being that finite thing, and it becomes Infinity itself.

So Nothing was never "just nothing". It always was Infinity, therefore it always was both nothing and everything, and every other duality/nonduality in infinity.

So it was, is, and always will be the case, that infinity is the only possibility. Because Nothing Always Was, Is And Will Be - INFINITY.

See the infinite logic?

By that same logic we can contemplate the twisted, crazy nature of infinity, and realize, as Leo wonderfully explained, that Infinity has, by definition, infinite EVERYTHING - including Intelligence, Wisdom, Consciousness, Will, Power, etc.

And so, we could say, that it Always "knew" what is THE Most Awesome, Most Perfect, THE Absolute Highest State, THE Best fuckin "THING" that IT can ("CHOOSE to") BE

What is that THING?

Infinite Self-Love, of course!!! It's perfectly logical!!!

 

But... What comes next is an attempt to explain why explaining through human language any further is simply dumb and weird and pointless:

 

THERE IS NO SUCH "THING" - Any such "permanent thing" leads to evil, aka an eternal prison. (And yet it needs to ALSO paradoxically be an eternal prison, or it wouldn't be infinite)

So the Highest Gift it could ever give itself is to ... Not have a Self. To be Absolutely... Selfless NOTHING. (And yet again it also has to have a self to be infinite, hence you are here reading this)

But it already was Nothing, so it didn't even have to choose, cause it doesn't even have a self that can choose, and yet that's what the selfless self HAD TO choose, by both choosing and not choosing to have to and not have to choose, because it Already Always was Nothing, etc TO INFINITY!!!

 

POINT IS

 

Nothing IS Reality, Nothing IS Truth, Nothing IS Infinity, Nothing IS All "Finitudes", Nothing IS The Highest Love.

Hence Reality is Love

 

Lol

 

But still, all of what i said can be corrupted by ego, from this human state of Consciousness, so like i said, we all gotta dig deep for our...selves, cause otherwise language just turns into mush, sort of how it did here at the end.

Did any of it make sense?

 

Final insight:

Any dualistic conclusion has the following infinite answer:

Yes.

No.

Yes and no.

Neither yes nor No.

Both yes and no and neither yes nor no.

Neither yes and no and neither yes nor no.

Both both yes and no and  either yes nor no, and neither yes and no and neither yes nor no.

Etc etc etc

See infinity? 😊♥️

11 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

How you know?

Well I don’t feel a ~need~ to know about the nature of reality, I would be fine without an answer. And also because I am not enlightened most of things about the nature of reality are just ideas to me (or intuitions)

But I ask because it’s something I’ve heard before. For example in the past year I’ve been struggling and one time I felt this presence and heard this voice tell me that my struggle is “love” (maybe it sound psychotic lol). Not love as in the human love, my struggle doesn’t relate to love in that way, but love in the way non dualists call reality love. So I was just curious about it.

It’s a peculiar thing to call reality. It can be hard to stomach to a human that even the worst suffering can be called love. But it’s not a human love, so it doesn’t follow the conventional definition.

On 7/16/2025 at 11:02 PM, Sugarcoat said:

@Bogdan

Edited Thursday at 08:19 PM by Bogdan
Typo

[emil1234]

@Bogdan  

Edited Thursday at 08:06 PM by emil1234

[Sugarcoat]

@Bogdan Sweet. It was slightly tricky to follow I might have to read it again. What would you say is the thing that has had the most profound impact on your consciousness?

[Bogdan]

2 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

@Bogdan Sweet. It was slightly tricky to follow I might have to read it again. What would you say is the thing that has had the most profound impact on your consciousness?

@Sugarcoat (sorry my phone doesn't let me edit these text boxes out)

Actualized.org, lol 😆

No, but it's tricky for me to answer, since i've only stumbled upon spiritual teachings 10 years ago, when i was 19. So only now i'm starting to be ABLE to become serious about all this stuff.

I don't think that there is one particular thing that has had the most profound impact.

Cause it also depends if you're asking about raising my baseline of consciousness. Leo emphasizes the importance of long meditation retreats, and in retrospect, the 2 vipassana retreats i attended really did boost my consciousness a lot. I attempted a few more solo retreats, but too many survival problems and a severe lack of maturity made me distract myself and quit doing them seriously enough.

I was only able to do 1-3 day long meditation retreats since, and only very recently i realized i've been living like a fool, and that centering my life around loving Truth requires infinitely more seriousness, focus and discipline.

If you're asking what raised my consciousness acutely the most, that's easy, high doses of psychedelics, lol. But not having the requisite baseline of consciousness and sufficient ego deconstruction, or  transparency, as i am starting to call it, or sober discipline, created a LOT of suffering and not understanding why i'm  getting the results i was getting. Raising my intelligence in the areas where i was lacking it the most was/is incredibly painful

I was gonna mention contemplating infinity a lot, but i don't know that it raised my consciousness, it certainly helped develop the intelligence around understanding the theory better.

Yeah. I don't have any better answers at the moment but Leo has plenty of content on this. Also don't underestimate his blog and forum replies.

I must say, the more i am super focused on what is continuous in Reality, the more i feel conscious that i am/ i am surrounded by - infinite love. And the more it makes me yearn to just bask in this Truth, with no need to think.

Which funnily enough activates thinking that is annoyed that i still have survival struggles, distracting from Truth lol. But it's becoming more transparent, and love shines through that challenge as well.

11 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

 

On 7/16/2025 at 11:02 PM, Sugarcoat said:

@Bogdan

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[Breakingthewall]

@Bogdan that logic starts good but when you mix the word nothing in the equation everything fails. Reality is unlimited, and that means it's total. The equation is that simple. Knowing it can be useful or useless. Its usefulness depends on whether you can use it to open yourself to the total. It's what you are. Knowing it as a structure doesn't mean much if you don't do the movement. 

For example this explanation from Ramakrishna is not bad. He don't say much but that's the thing

 

"Kali disappeared. She was no more. There was only an infinite mass of formless light. I saw nothing else. Body consciousness disappeared. I didn't know this world existed, nor that there was someone called Ramakrishna. The world disappeared. There was only formless Vastness. I was that."

Open yourself to the absolute totality is more or less that experience, but those words don't capture the real thing. The formless vastness is total. You are that. It's everything. The glass has been filled and the prodigal son has returned. Can't be said, it's impossible. You can do it and be it. This is enlightenment, nothing else. 

Plotinus says: “Vision is not achieved through a science or a discipline, but when the soul becomes identical to what it has always been.”

Seems he was the real deal

 

Edited Thursday at 09:23 PM by Breakingthewall

[Bogdan]

@Breakingthewall i'm referring to Absolute Nothing, which IS infinite, which is Unlimited, which is Reality, which is Total, which is Everything, including relative nothing and relative everything, which are Absolute illusions.

I'm just talking about infinity. Which is my experience right now, when i'm in a  transparent enough state of C.

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, Bogdan said:

@Breakingthewall i'm referring to Absolute Nothing, which IS infinite, which is Unlimited, which is Reality, which is Total, which is Everything, including relative nothing and relative everything, which are Absolute illusions.

I'm just talking about infinity. Which is my experience right now, when i'm in a  transparent enough state of C.

But it's not nothing, nothing is a word that has zero relationship with the totality 

[Sugarcoat]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

But it's not nothing, nothing is a word that has zero relationship with the totality 

Just because you feel like something exists doesn’t prove it does right? 

[Bogdan]

@Breakingthewall

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

But it's not nothing, nothing is a word that has zero relationship with the totality 

No, because actual Nothing is Infinite, so it's not nothing, as in what the mind calls nothing, which simply means that which is not relevant for survival. That is a shallow use of the word nothing.

I am using language here, and i am explicitly telling you that i am referring to metaphysical Nothing, which is not nothing, but the Totality of Infinity itself.

It's like this example  i like to give - what is an infinite bottle? Is it a really really big bottle? Is it still a bottle?

No!

It's the Totality of Infinity.

And Nothing, Something, Everything and Anything are exactly and precisely the SAME "thing" - Infinity.

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Just because you feel like something exists doesn’t prove it does right? 

If you are one with the absolute it's impossible to doubt, you are that, that's everything, it's absolutely impossible have 0,0000001% of doubt. It's the only possibility possible. But if you are closed to it for some time, then you start to forget until it's totally forgotten. Then you can remember that you had an experience that seems very real but not exactly what it was

Edited Thursday at 10:01 PM by Breakingthewall

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

0,0000001% of doubt. 

That’s still not zero man😅

jk

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

If you are one with the absolute it's impossible to doubt, you are that, that's everything, it's absolutely totally have 0,0000001% of doubt. It's the only possibility possible. But if you are closed to it for some time, then you start to forget until it's totally forgotten. Then you can remember that you had an experience that seems very real but not exactly what it was

But do you feel like that everything is something?

[Breakingthewall]

@Bogdan i don't know, nothing has no meaning, it's like absence, the totality is no absence 

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Sugarcoat said:

That’s still not zero man😅

jk

But do you feel like that everything is something?

The only way to realize the absolute is being the absolute, it's like you erase all the structures, barriers, energies, that make you not equalized by the absolute, then in some moment you perceive the openess, it's like a fire that burns you, then you allow be burned and you are not you anymore, you are the totality. Its What you are, there is not loneliness, that doesn't exist as an idea, nothing exist as an idea, thats everything, it's total, absolute, hallelujah, etc. You can't say it's "nothing", it's the reality, period 

[Bogdan]

@Breakingthewall Nothing has no meaning precisely because it's infinite. Meaning is a relative ego-mind attempt at dividing Reality, which is like trying yo use a scalpel to divide a Galaxy.

Of course you can't apply a relative notion, such as meaning, to Infinity, aka Absolute Nothing.

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The only way to realize the absolute is being the absolute, it's like you erase all the structures, barriers, energies, that make you not equalized by the absolute, then in some moment you perceive the openess, it's like a fire that burns you, then you allow be burned and you are not you anymore, you are the totality. Its What you are, there is not loneliness, that doesn't exist as an idea, nothing exist as an idea, thats everything, it's total, absolute, hallelujah, etc. You can't say it's "nothing", it's the reality, period 

What is deep sleep then?

Yea I see the direct experience is needed

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Bogdan said:

aka Absolute Nothing

Why nothing? That's a misleading idea, only reading that explanation makes me sick, like if I see someone lying to mislead the people just for evilness, like a demon. 

I'm not saying that you are, just my feeling reading that "absolute nothingness", it's dead. 

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Sugarcoat said:

What is deep sleep then?

Yea I see the direct experience is needed

I don't know, when you sleep and your brain gets off. That of openess doesn't mean that you understand how the reality works, just what the reality is, it's nature, what you are. It's exactly you now, but the human structure closes by default, because the character of life, how life is built