Finally a true god realization

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

I don't know, when you sleep and your brain gets off. That of openess doesn't mean that you understand how the reality works, just what the reality is, it's nature, what you are. It's exactly you now, but the human structure closes by default, because the character of life, how life is built 

I see. 🫡

[Bogdan]

@Breakingthewall because... Nothing, by definition, is INFINITE.

Therefore, it's not relative nothing. It simply infinity itself.

Infinity HAS/IS Everything ! Nothing, Anything, Everything, meaning, no-meaning, etc, etc, etc. 

[James123]

@Sugarcoat why so called deep sleep with identical before birth? 😊 

[Breakingthewall]

17 minutes ago, Bogdan said:

@Breakingthewall because... Nothing, by definition, is INFINITE.

Therefore, it's not relative nothing. It simply infinity itself.

Infinity HAS/IS Everything ! Nothing, Anything, Everything, meaning, no-meaning, etc, etc, etc. 

The absolute is not infinite; infinity is its inevitable expression. The absolute is absolutely unnameable and is what reality is. You could call it openness, but that's not true. The openness of the structure of form allows the absolute to manifest without filter and to recognize itself within form. It is not describable. Infinity is one description; nothing is another. Both are possibilities, not the absolute. Maybe inevitable possibilities, but they are not the total. The total is total, period. 

 

Edited Thursday at 10:36 PM by Breakingthewall

[Davino]

@emil1234  Outstanding work. It looks like a fruition, as many Awakening facets came together.

First congratulations. Second, try to remain with the experience as much as possible and take it as a point of reference for future trips and spiritual practices. Try to avoid making many maps and sense-making for now, because you need much more mystical experiences. It's cool to start contemplating but we aware of the distinction between the raw-happening-awakening with the sense-making of what happened.

Keep going brother, things are getting so good. Realising Consciousness is all that exists, is what I call being Awake, that is the bar. You've had that realization, congratulations. You've also had some flavours of God and I encourage you to keep pushing but I cannot say for what I've read that God-Realization has happened, the bar has not been broken through. Yet, it's very close, in the next fruition cycle it will certainly come. Keep up the good work brother. Take care.

Davino

[Davino]

7 minutes ago, James123 said:

@Sugarcoat why so called deep sleep with identical before birth? 😊 

Because none of them exist, nor have you ever experienced them.

Did you experience what was there before your son called birth? Do you experience deep sleep?

No. They are fantasies, there are no experiential references for those words. They are just empty boxes.

[Leo Gura]

Existence is an Absolute. So of course it won't not exist. This isn't a problem, this is perfect.

If you got a problem with that, it's the ego-mind overreacting.

Edited Thursday at 10:33 PM by Leo Gura

[James123]

2 minutes ago, Davino said:

Because none of them exist, nor have you ever experienced them.

Did you experience what was there before your son called birth? Do you experience deep sleep?

No. They are fantasies, there are no experiential references for those words. They are just empty boxes.

This is a belief.

[Bogdan]

@Breakingthewall it's funny, cause you just named that which you deem unnameable (you called it unnameable).

Idk bro, by this point i think we are derailing the topic of Emil's trip too much, maybe we can start another forum topic on this subject.

I find you'r metaphysics to be inaccurate and entangled. I'm not interested in debating you, but the idea of trying to see if i can reply to your ideas sounds fun

[Davino]

4 minutes ago, James123 said:

This is a belief.

AHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHA

You killed me with this one

 

Am I the one with a believe? Or you who believe in before birth and deep sleep? 

Edited Thursday at 10:41 PM by Davino

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, Bogdan said:

find you'r metaphysics to be inaccurate and entangled. I'm not interested in debating you, but the idea of trying to see if i can reply to your ideas sounds fun

I think you are absolutely deceived, just another narcissistic. I know that who have that particularity really think that are enlightened and spread their things, but as here there is people really interested in the real thing,when  detect a liar (even he doesn't know he is) I just point it. Who can see will see, that's all. Done. 

Edited Thursday at 10:43 PM by Breakingthewall

[James123]

6 minutes ago, Davino said:

Am I the one with a believe? Or you who believe in before birth and deep sleep? 

So called, not even.

I love you. 😘 

[Bogdan]

@Breakingthewall i am most likely a narcissist, lol 😆♥️ wish you well

[Breakingthewall]

15 minutes ago, Davino said:

Because none of them exist, nor have you ever experienced them.

Did you experience what was there before your son called birth? Do you experience deep sleep?

No. They are fantasies, there are no experiential references for those words. They are just empty boxes.

Existence is movement, then absence of movement is non existence. The totality is not the movement, is what moves, what allows the movement or makes it inevitable. From this you could say that non existence really is the same than existence, the only difference is that one moves, the other doesn't. Of course existence is always because non existence means never, and never doesn't exist, it's like a tautology 

[Eskilon]

50 minutes ago, Davino said:

Because none of them exist, nor have you ever experienced them.

Did you experience what was there before your son called birth? Do you experience deep sleep?

No. They are fantasies, there are no experiential references for those words. They are just empty boxes.

But they do though. You are there but you are not conscious. You experience deep sleep, but since it does not have anything to be aware of, its a blank. If this wasn`t the case, how can you remember that you were nothing in deep sleep？

Isn't this the most fundamental aspect of God, what gives it it's invencibility and what makes it untouched by corruption?

Edited Thursday at 11:20 PM by Eskilon

[PurpleTree]

I was also very excited when it happened the first time.

It was soo beautiful. 

[Sugarcoat]

11 hours ago, James123 said:

@Sugarcoat why so called deep sleep with identical before birth? 😊 

We don’t remember before birth but that doesn’t mean we didn’t have experience before, maybe it’s just wiped out memory. Like previous reincarnations

[Sugarcoat]

12 hours ago, Bogdan said:

@Sugarcoat (sorry my phone doesn't let me edit these text boxes out)

Actualized.org, lol 😆

No, but it's tricky for me to answer, since i've only stumbled upon spiritual teachings 10 years ago, when i was 19. So only now i'm starting to be ABLE to become serious about all this stuff.

I don't think that there is one particular thing that has had the most profound impact.

Cause it also depends if you're asking about raising my baseline of consciousness. Leo emphasizes the importance of long meditation retreats, and in retrospect, the 2 vipassana retreats i attended really did boost my consciousness a lot. I attempted a few more solo retreats, but too many survival problems and a severe lack of maturity made me distract myself and quit doing them seriously enough.

I was only able to do 1-3 day long meditation retreats since, and only very recently i realized i've been living like a fool, and that centering my life around loving Truth requires infinitely more seriousness, focus and discipline.

If you're asking what raised my consciousness acutely the most, that's easy, high doses of psychedelics, lol. But not having the requisite baseline of consciousness and sufficient ego deconstruction, or  transparency, as i am starting to call it, or sober discipline, created a LOT of suffering and not understanding why i'm  getting the results i was getting. Raising my intelligence in the areas where i was lacking it the most was/is incredibly painful

I was gonna mention contemplating infinity a lot, but i don't know that it raised my consciousness, it certainly helped develop the intelligence around understanding the theory better.

Yeah. I don't have any better answers at the moment but Leo has plenty of content on this. Also don't underestimate his blog and forum replies.

I must say, the more i am super focused on what is continuous in Reality, the more i feel conscious that i am/ i am surrounded by - infinite love. And the more it makes me yearn to just bask in this Truth, with no need to think.

Which funnily enough activates thinking that is annoyed that i still have survival struggles, distracting from Truth lol. But it's becoming more transparent, and love shines through that challenge as well.

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Good work

[kbone]

14 hours ago, Bogdan said:

@Sugarcoat So, my explanation will be a  bit all over the place - ultimately if you follow Leo's work, (which will also point you to the importance of studying other relevant teachers), do hardcore meditation retreats, and use psychedelics and self inquiry and deconstruct the ego and have tons of mystical experiences you'll be able to understand for yourself better than anyone could ever explain.

But here goes - the way i understand it is that Reality has a sort of infinite Logic to it.

And basically if you ask powerful enough questions, you will eventually find infinity/Love/Reality/Truth in anything.

And so i suppose we could start by asking "what is anything?", or what is A THING?

I sat with this question for years - and had the insight that i have no fucking clue, because i need an infinite chain of causality to explain ANY particular "thing".

Because no one "thing" or "form" can really have an existence of it's own, separate from Infinity, things are actually infinity itself. Basically any "object" is actually how infinity looks and sounds and feels like, as if from the outside.

Every "thing" is a distinction made in Reality, by the instrument of the survival mind. The survival mind is also paradoxically a distinction made by the survival mind.

Then we can sort of ask - well, then... every thing is actually EVERYTHING?

What type of "thing" can be paradoxically everything and not everything at once like that? 

This is where human language starts to really break down.

The answer is Paradoxical.

NO THING. Literally there is NO "thing" that can do or be everything. A bottle is by definition (of the human mind) a bottle, and not anything else

But another way to read that sentence is Nothing CAN Do/Be Everything.

So... In Reality, there are no multiple things. There is just one big fat, Ultimate Thing of All Things - Anything/Everything/Nothing.

It's just that the human mind's idea of relative nothing does not realize that Real Nothing is Infinite.

In the Imaginary Time Before Time, what was there?

Of course it's infinitely logical that the answer is Nothing.

Nothing is the only "thing" that "needs nothing" to exist. And luckily, Nothing "HAS" Nothing 🤣

AND SO IT "IS/Was"

Thing is (<--- LOL, the cosmic joke baked into language) by the same Logic, Nothing needs nothing to be anything, everything, infinite.

When you take any "thing" and make it infinite, it stops being that finite thing, and it becomes Infinity itself.

So Nothing was never "just nothing". It always was Infinity, therefore it always was both nothing and everything, and every other duality/nonduality in infinity.

So it was, is, and always will be the case, that infinity is the only possibility. Because Nothing Always Was, Is And Will Be - INFINITY.

See the infinite logic?

By that same logic we can contemplate the twisted, crazy nature of infinity, and realize, as Leo wonderfully explained, that Infinity has, by definition, infinite EVERYTHING - including Intelligence, Wisdom, Consciousness, Will, Power, etc.

And so, we could say, that it Always "knew" what is THE Most Awesome, Most Perfect, THE Absolute Highest State, THE Best fuckin "THING" that IT can ("CHOOSE to") BE

What is that THING?

Infinite Self-Love, of course!!! It's perfectly logical!!!

 

But... What comes next is an attempt to explain why explaining through human language any further is simply dumb and weird and pointless:

 

THERE IS NO SUCH "THING" - Any such "permanent thing" leads to evil, aka an eternal prison. (And yet it needs to ALSO paradoxically be an eternal prison, or it wouldn't be infinite)

So the Highest Gift it could ever give itself is to ... Not have a Self. To be Absolutely... Selfless NOTHING. (And yet again it also has to have a self to be infinite, hence you are here reading this)

But it already was Nothing, so it didn't even have to choose, cause it doesn't even have a self that can choose, and yet that's what the selfless self HAD TO choose, by both choosing and not choosing to have to and not have to choose, because it Already Always was Nothing, etc TO INFINITY!!!

 

POINT IS

 

Nothing IS Reality, Nothing IS Truth, Nothing IS Infinity, Nothing IS All "Finitudes", Nothing IS The Highest Love.

Hence Reality is Love

 

See infinity? 😊♥️

Purddy gooooood. Would you say what you point to as Love is emergent in the absence of conditioned fear?

[Bogdan]

@Sugarcoat thanks 😽

1 hour ago, kbone said:

Purddy gooooood. Would you say what you point to as Love is emergent in the absence of conditioned fear?

1 hour ago, kbone said:

 

@Breakingthewall@kbone sorry @Breakingthewall, i didn't mean to tag you, and i can't untag for some reason.

@kbone sure, conditioned fear is a potent ego memory and reason to remain a victim, that doesn't let focus rest on what is True, Present, because the truth is that your true Self, which is Love, Is all the things that the ego fears and hates, because it thinks those things will cause suffering and death.

But honestly i find it weird that you are asking me this, when Leo has so much content on these topics, and when we are supposed to contemplate these things on our own.

Perhaps you already believed you knew the answer, and wanted to see if we're in the same page, or perhaps you just liked what i wrote and wanted to hear more answers in my style of answering

But i see quite a lot of questions being asked that have obviously not been contemplated enough in private before asking, like a reliance on outside authority.

So that's why i'm questioning where your question is coming from.