New Video: What Is Fake Spirituality?

[Davino]

What is obstructing my Consciousness?

Not being on 5meo

Survival 

Fear

Attachment 

Vices

Stupidity 

Ego

Self-doubt

Bad decisions

Resistance of reality or what is

Lack of strong organisation skills

Not loving myself more as I am

[Carl-Richard]

On 18.7.2025 at 0:51 PM, Rafael Thundercat said:

When @Leo Gura talks about someone making up stuff like "I was a Faraoh in Ancient Egipt" Stefano is that came to me as an example 

Well well  and look whos podcasts he os being interviewed.

Is that really impossible though?

[SageMind]

I still don´t get entirely how to practice spirituality without conflating it with survival, in the end, being here in this forum means that we seek God/Truth to endure better with suffering, accepting what it is, isn´t that also selfish?

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@SageMind for myself, personal journey: spiritualities purpose was not to end suffering. I experienced it as a byproduct 🙃 well, should we say, a 'lessoning' of suffering

@Davino if you really sit and contemplate this list - everything you listed is a fear. Rooted in fear. Questing for certainty. To my experience, fear is always the block. The only block. 

Edited Saturday at 09:45 PM by Natasha Tori Maru

[Rafael Thundercat]

3 hours ago, SageMind said:

I still don´t get entirely how to practice spirituality without conflating it with survival, in the end, being here in this forum means that we seek God/Truth to endure better with suffering, accepting what it is, isn´t that also selfish?

For me what I do here js survival and not seeking God. Just commuting with comarades,socializing

[Sugarcoat]

On 2025-07-18 at 1:48 AM, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Yes. And I have stopped much of my own suffering. My posts in this thread are from lived experience and deep understanding of my own behaviour. Contemplation, reflection, self analysis, hypnagogic states where subconscious elements 'appear to come out of no where' but they don't. They have a source. Dreams are similar. Many nights and evenings spent listening to music, paralyzed in thought, static, sitting on the carpet in my lounge while my mind unravels understanding and integrating. I do find this sort of work stops me in my tracks. Time stops. I can be frozen, thinking, for a long time.

On 2025-07-17 at 6:06 PM, Sugarcoat said:

That’s great you’ve done that!

The psyche has a lot of depth to understand and explore for sure 

On 2025-07-18 at 1:48 AM, Natasha Tori Maru said:

The suffering is the story I lay over the pain. It, in effect, through friction - enhances the pain. 'This is so painful, this is never going to end. Why is it happening to me?'

Think of this as a property of reality. Force between 2 objects - concrete floor and a pile of bricks. Imagine the pain as the force of the bricks baring down on the concrete. Suffering is attempting to push the bricks aside - notice the force downward on the concrete (pain) is the same - only now you have introduced more pain/suffering because there is a terrible friction between the 2 surfaces. Both concrete and bricks are wearing down. Heat is also arising from the shearing force of YOU pushing the bricks (the narrative).

Notice that you pushing the pile of bricks is something you are doing - its the narrative generating suffering 'labouring UNDER the pain'. The labour of pushing the bricks. Once you realise you are DOING this, you can grasp it. And stop doing it.

This comes down to discernment. Deep interception. Because it is very difficult to be clear what is suffering and what is pain. In my personal experience - suffering can enhance pain. But when I meditate and fully focus on the pain, I notice with keen transparency that 50% of the pain is generated from my fear of it. From wanting to escape it. From judging it - from the narrative. When I focus down on the pain, it is just a sensation. I can acknowledge it is unpleasant. But it is only a sensation just like any other. It feels... neutralised. And because you are a woman, you will be familiar with the waves of crippling pain that come to CRUSH you, and just when you think you are going to throw up, cry out - it abates. The waves begin to feel less like tsunamis of pain. More like the sea gently lapping at the shoreline.

Focus on your ability to feel. Go into it. Learn there - discernment is key.

Just my experience. 

I want to finish this by posting the image of the Monk on fire meditating, but this image is very sensitive. It speaks to my points above.

As you go further into the work, your ability to control your body raises. Again this is a truth you have to discover for yourself <3

I will def explore this when I get the chance. I have transcended 90% of my mental emotional suffering but not physical pain so that is def an area with development potential.

I found this video on YouTube about it, this man had trigeminal neuralgia also called the suicide disease. He transcended the pain with mindfulness. Only sharing in case you would be interested:

 

Edited Saturday at 10:43 PM by Sugarcoat

[SageMind]

29 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

For me what I do here js survival and not seeking God. Just commuting with comarades,socializing

Well, I mean, even if you only meditate to the point of extreme boredom to access God, isn't there still some selfishness? in the end you do this to have a better life.

[theleelajoker]

2 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

 

@Davino if you really sit and contemplate this list - everything you listed is a fear. Rooted in fear. Questing for certainty. To my experience, fear is always the block. The only block. 

+1 had the very same thought recently.

It seems to boil down to openness vs. fear 

Fear - I don't want experience X to happen, I want the known

Openness - I am fine or at least neutral re any experience, I am curious, I don't know, I make/ let it happen 

Not perfect description yet, open to ideas for improvement;)

[Leo Gura]

5 hours ago, SageMind said:

in the end, being here in this forum means that we seek God/Truth to endure better with suffering, accepting what it is, isn´t that also selfish?

As I told you, stop doing this work to endure anything. This work is done for the beauty of knowing truth.

You could be on this forum because you want insights to help you find more beautiful truth. Or you could be here just for fun but you are not BSing yourself that posting on a forum is spiritual work.

[ZenSwift]

Hey @Leo Gura, Thanks for this video. It is a very valuable pointer for me. 

[Leo Gura]

@ZenSwift Glad it was useful.

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Sugarcoat Thank you for the link - Appreciate appreciate

You (actually many users here) may enjoy this lecture - the gentleman speaking is a great orator, which always helps with the digestion.

He goes into genetics, to body systems, to the mind and consciousness. Breaks down how they interact and how the mind generates emotions we experience through narrative (real/imaginary - makes no difference). It gets linked back to survival's maladjusted mechanisms that are active in the world today. We are doing these things we think we are plagued by. Things we are under the impression are external. The key is meditation. Cease all thought. Not knowing. 

Our consciousness is capable of much more than we know:

 

[Jodistrict]

My view on spirituality is that it doesn’t get real until you have a serious encounter with  suffering.   Everything else is either entertainment or intellectual masturbation.

[Leo Gura]

37 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

Everything else is either entertainment or intellectual masturbation.

No.

Pursuit of truth has no relation to suffering.

Imagine only caring to connect with God to avoid pain. This is disgusting.

This is like only having sex with your wife because you are in pain. But if your pain stops you never have sex with her. This is sick.

Edited Sunday at 06:27 AM by Leo Gura

[Eskilon]

20 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Pursuit of truth has no relation to suffering.

Not sure about that. 

Would you claim that you or other people don't suffer from sitting non-stop for 2 weeks?

Edited Sunday at 06:45 AM by Eskilon

[Miguel1]

18 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

Would you claim that you or other people don't suffer from sitting non-stop for 2 weeks?

You misunderstood him.

[Eskilon]

16 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

You misunderstood him.

Actually, I think he misunderstood the other user.

Edited Sunday at 07:20 AM by Eskilon

[Rafael Thundercat]

I dont know if someone here knows about the many Crusades that happened in the medival times to regain Jerusalem to the Church. Well there were officialy four. But also some other Cruzades led by kids called the Children Cruzades. A clear example of the destiny of listening to self proclaimed leaders and the mob

I even have a theory. What if these prophetic kids were working to the slave traders to groom and bring them material to sell? 

[Davino]

I liked the episode. Despite being fundamental, it gave me a refound clarity on what's truly important. Making a spectrum on how truly spiritual is what I'm doing. 

It's sometime easy to conflate things and overmystify activities. The true value of this episode for me has been to actually identify the purest work and distinguish it from what is related to the work or what I called work and actually isn't. 

This very simple fundamental point is powerful and it has been a way to revisit the basics of my work.

[theleelajoker]

16 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Sugarcoat Thank you for the link - Appreciate appreciate

You (actually many users here) may enjoy this lecture - the gentleman speaking is a great orator, which always helps with the digestion.

He goes into genetics, to body systems, to the mind and consciousness. Breaks down how they interact and how the mind generates emotions we experience through narrative (real/imaginary - makes no difference). It gets linked back to survival's maladjusted mechanisms that are active in the world today. We are doing these things we think we are plagued by. Things we are under the impression are external. The key is meditation. Cease all thought. Not knowing. 

Our consciousness is capable of much more than we know:

 

@Natasha Tori Maru

Had no time to watch it yet, but it sounds a bit like the theory of constructed emotions by Lisa Barrett Feldman?