New Video: What Is Fake Spirituality?

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12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No!

What they were doing wasn't just not spiritual. It was false. They were not conscious of survival and conflated with spirituality.

Obviously his mind made up justifications to justify his behavior. But in the broader context, how can you do spirituality without survival? Because obviously your body needs things to survive so you will never "transcend survival". It will always be part of the human exp. For me transcending means "building upon". 

[CARDOZZO]

2 hours ago, Davino said:

Sovereignty of Mind as a second part of what is Authority would be a banger.

+1

[Judy2]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If you are having a negative emotional reaction to your present experience of reality, you are unconscious that your mind is creating that reaction. You need more consciousness to recognize that you are doing it.

so am i the one "doing" my emotions?

or is it like my emotions are happening to me and i can't control them? i thought it was the latter and i just have to learn to accept that, maybe work on changing my thoughts/focus/bodily reaction/actions as to tone down the intensity of the emotion.

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Adopt the frame that you are creating all negative emotions. Then look for how you are doing it and stop it.

that is quite the paradigm shift for me, but it sounds like it's the kind of thing i should try and inquire into.

knowing and understanding this won't necessarily eliminate all anxiety though, will it?

[cjoseph90]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I'll tell you exactly what it is.

If you are having a negative emotional reaction to your present experience of reality, you are unconscious that your mind is creating that reaction. You need more consciousness to recognize that you are doing it.

You are framing this situation as something negative happening to you. No. It is something you are doing but refusing to look into and stop.

Your hands look strange? Okay. So what? Why is that negative? Your mind is creating that negativity by imagining some negative meaning to it. So you need to carefully look at what your mind is doing, take ownership of it, and stop it.

Adopt the frame that you are creating all negative emotions. Then look for how you are doing it and stop it.

In a sense you are an expert actor who is acting out negative emotional drama to keep yourself busy and distracted. All of your negative emotions are unconscious survival. You're doing them as part of some unconscious survival habit. So apply consciousness to that and question how and why you are creating this negativity.

"My hands look strange" is already something your mind is doing. Try stopping do it.

+1 Yes Mind is constructing it all. This was a profound insight

[Judy2]

3 hours ago, Judy2 said:

so am i the one "doing" my emotions?

or is it like my emotions are happening to me and i can't control them? i thought it was the latter and i just have to learn to accept that, maybe work on changing my thoughts/focus/bodily reaction/actions as to tone down the intensity of the emotion.

that is quite the paradigm shift for me, but it sounds like it's the kind of thing i should try and inquire into.

knowing and understanding this won't necessarily eliminate all anxiety though, will it?

so for example a thing that can cause me stress or anxiety is when my neighbours are being too noisy to the degree that i can't have peace and quiet in my apartment. i think it's not as simple as saying "okay so just stop creating the anxiety for yourself" ...is it? the part of me (me as God) that is creating all that external noise won't leave me alone, either. i can't just will it to do so. if i could i would do so instantaneously. 

... not trying to debunk this at all, just trying to understand it or experience this with the help of an example:)

[Sugarcoat]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If you are having a negative emotional reaction to your present experience of reality, you are unconscious that your mind is creating that reaction.

If someone is in physical pain, plus has a negative reaction to it, is the suffering caused by the reaction (resistance) or is the suffering inherent to the pain?

 

[OBEler]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I'll tell you exactly what it is.

If you are having a negative emotional reaction to your present experience of reality, you are unconscious that your mind is creating that reaction. You need more consciousness to recognize that you are doing it.

You are framing this situation as something negative happening to you. No. It is something you are doing but refusing to look into and stop.

Your hands look strange? Okay. So what? Why is that negative? Your mind is creating that negativity by imagining some negative meaning to it. So you need to carefully look at what your mind is doing, take ownership of it, and stop it.

Adopt the frame that you are creating all negative emotions. Then look for how you are doing it and stop it.

In a sense you are an expert actor who is acting out negative emotional drama to keep yourself busy and distracted. All of your negative emotions are unconscious survival. You're doing them as part of some unconscious survival habit. So apply consciousness to that and question how and why you are creating this negativity.

"My hands look strange" is already something your mind is doing. Try stopping do it.

That's exactly what Peter Ralston says also.

But you said it's humanly impossible to stop suffering from your health issues. Even though you create also your suffering from health issue. Why can't you stop that level of suffering? Just the emotional suffering? Both are created by your mind. Where is the line.

And even if you are hyper conscious. On salvia if you experience insanity by experience how you create everything, how can you then tell yourself ah I create insanity feelings myself, I just stop creating it and I am fine. Is that really realistic and possible?

My point is: You cannot stop what you create. Because part of creation is that you cannot stop it. Like if you are so highly conscious you realize you create your hand by your mind. You still cannot stop creating your hand 24 hours. Maybe for some seconds.

Same with emotions.  I can see how I create feelings of being hungry. I can stop it for a moment and then? It will go stronger and stronger in the background until it will take over even bigger.

Edited July 16 by OBEler

[Sugarcoat]

10 minutes ago, OBEler said:

But you said it's humanly impossible to stop suffering from your health issues. Even though you create also your suffering from health issue. Why can't you stop that level of suffering? Just the emotional suffering? Both are created by your mind. Where is the line.

I wonder the same. Is it even possible to transcend physical suffering as long as you’re human

[Natasha Tori Maru]

To my understanding pain and suffering are 2 different things.

If you have actively been practicing spirituality and self enquiry, you reveal that any narrative or story you have is a layer between your experience of a defined thing or event, and what is really truly happening. That layer is the lense of obscurity you are trying to lift to reveal the truth. Lift off the self of obscurity. The self that is full of stories about the past, the self that dwells in the future and removes you from the experience of right now (the only thing that exists). Notice you can't have a physical experience of the past or future. Only a mental one. Past future are not part of direct experience. Are not truth.

Feelings - pain - are real. Nerves stimulates to generate pain. Emotions are something self generated. Suffering is something you generate as part of your narrative of self. You endure it. Notice you can point to pain..can you point to suffering? Where? Point to the suffering. Most emotions are generated through the beliefs, stories and narratives of the 'self' which you are aiming to move aside to find what you TRULY are. 

Notice animals don't have these narratives. Have you seen a 3 legged dog? There is one at my regular dog park. They don't give a fuck. They don't even register that a leg is missing. But it's a serious disability. They run around not bothered in the slightest. 

Notice there is no narrative going on to generate the negativity, generate the suffering.

The spiritual process is about realising the beliefs you have, the stories, the narratives. Ideas. Thoughts. THEY generate these types of emotions. And you are really doing them. Trust me. Thoughts don't just come. They aren't inherent to experience. You can experience and 'be' without thoughts. You are doing the thoughts that generate the narrative causing suffering. So it is self generated.

You meditate. You contemplate. You practice. Move the body. All so you can realise you are thinking. And your aim is to stop. Kill the chatter. In this space is experience, unfettered. The lense is removed. Consciousness is raised, and the truth of your nature is revealed. 

Removing the self 'no self' isn't negative. It's not about being out of the body. It's about removing your story, removing YOUR crap. So you see the truth. Because I guarantee you are getting in your own way. 

Notice when you lie in life, why? When you don't tell the truth? It's because you want something. You, the self, want something and don't tell the truth to achieve that. You are doing this allllll over the place in reality. You could be telling yourself that rock you passed in the street is a rock. That's a concept. But maybe it's actually a crystal! But your narrative told you otherwise. When you see the truth of the rock, consciousness is raised. 

Indeed Ralston does teach a lot of this. 

I hope this made sense for suffering. I haven't had a coffee yet so brain is still booting up 🙃 Leo might be able to break it down better.

If you haven't read 'The Book of Not Knowing' by Ralston I seriously recommend it 

Meditation numbs physical pain. I have experienced this. You could say women suffer pain their monthly cleansing. This is when I meditate most as a stronger method than painkillers 

Edited July 16 by Natasha Tori Maru

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Adding in that a lot of the pain you think you feel is the fear of it itself. The internal friction - that is a narrative you generate as part of the self. Fear is always at the centre 

You will begin to reveal you are mixing in a lot of pain with suffering. 2 different things 

Edited July 16 by Natasha Tori Maru

[Rafael Thundercat]

Examples of Spirituality ops.. Religion, being used as survival mechanism by Celebrities. Well, is by the girl of Non sense Spirituality but anyway the examples are educative

 

 

[yetineti]

11 hours ago, OBEler said:

But you said it's humanly impossible to stop suffering from your health issues. Even though you create also your suffering from health issue. Why can't you stop that level of suffering? Just the emotional suffering? Both are created by your mind. Where is the line.

@OBEler The line is— you change a thing about Leo and he stops being what he is now.

His health issues are apart of his totality and that is fine.

There’s nothing about Leo’s health issues that suggest what he is saying about taking on this frame of emotional responsibility is not True.

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We also must distinguish emotions from physical sensations or bodily issues.

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But, yes— technically Leo’s health issues are ‘imaginary.’ Not to Leo, though, lmao.

That’d be like Mario arguing Luigi isn’t real.

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Leo isn’t Leo.

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@Judy2

For the practical emotional responsibility stuff: the first trap is: if every emotion is your responsibility: everything is your fault. Be careful.

Adopting a frame needs to happen gracefully. Most people should try to label and identify emotions and build some sort of routine around it first— to observe how they really happen, without judgement—rather than assuming anything or jumping into a completely new, extreme frame.

Keep in mind the value of the frame, though. What it offers and how it is different from the tradeoff most make.

 

 

Edited July 17 by yetineti

[Someone here]

@Natasha Tori Maru are you kidding me ? How do you got that level of intelligence? I'm glad you are actively posting recently.  

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Someone here I am glad to facilitate understanding 

Much of what I wrote is elaborating on what Leo communicates, but it is reworded. Sometimes it just needs to be said differently for different people.

40 minutes ago, Someone here said:

 How do you got that level of intelligence? 

A lot of suffering. The details aren't needed, but I have been through some very bad things. It might be helpful to know I am almost 40 now, and the spiritual process has been going on within me since my teens. Darkness had me as her lover for a good 15-20 years.

The work is, well, work. No shortcuts. Many mistakes. Lots of learning.

While you are shedding huge amounts of self-trash, the process is really scary. It is very destabilising.

Most people reach for spirituality to ease suffering and transcend (or maybe they want meaning) - they try to learn something new - but the path is not actually about building something new. Not about building a new concept on how to be or see. One other element - you have to seriously care for your body. Take that very seriously. Sleep, food, water. Balance. Movement. Even just walking contemplation - my favourite and most delicious type!

It is about the pristine marble YOU already are - you are chipping away at it, revealing the sculpture already inside.

It's not nihilistic at all, it is about truly experiencing reality and exploring it all. Minus all the shit.

You are uncovering. 

Subtracting everything that's not it.

You are going to encounter many paradoxes along the way - natural.

The caveat here is - this is just my personal experience

 

[Someone here]

@Natasha Tori Maru nice. Very true and sorry about the suffering . You also have an attractive style in writing that makes the reader captivated and following every single word. I rarely do read people's entire posts but I do read every word you write . If you start a journal here you gonna outright ditch all those people who actually believe they are writing jack out of business. Lol 😂 jk.

But cool stuff you always share . Thanks. 

[Judy2]

2 hours ago, yetineti said:

 

@Judy2

For the practical emotional responsibility stuff: the first trap is: if every emotion is your responsibility: everything is your fault. Be careful.

Adopting a frame needs to happen gracefully. Most people should try to label and identify emotions and build some sort of routine around it first— to observe how they really happen, without judgement—rather than assuming anything or jumping into a completely new, extreme frame.

Keep in mind the value of the frame, though. What it offers and how it is different from the tradeoff most make.

 

 

For someone who has been struggling with functional emotional regulation - are there any practical first steps that you can recommend taking, other than building basic emotional awareness and learning to label emotions as they pop up?

[samijiben]

I am yet to read a single comment on this thread. That is because I haven't watched the video. I plan to engorge myself in the enlightening bullshit yall are on about after I watch the video. 

I wanna talk about WHY I'm not watching the video. I have been postponing this moment. It's because Im quite scared. Also, I'm lazy -- but that's an excuse, not the truth. Truth is I'm scared. I don't want to listen to Leo tell me what I don't want to hear. Why the fuck would I? I know damn well already what Leo is gonna rail on about in this video... perhaps even better than those of you out there who have watched it through with a notepad. 

This is literally going to the gas chambers. Man. Leo gonna shit on my personhood, on God. It doesn't feel good when someone says, yo, you want to climb a mountain, take an avalanche, sucker! People's words speak STUFF INTO EXISTENCE... AND HENCE!

Anyways, getting off track real fast, I forgot to mention the purpose of this post, nevermind — I never knew it to begin.

Still, I don't feel like I'm learning from Leo's videos anymore. At first, I thought I understood, years ago. Then I watched his videos again and again, and realized how little I actually knew. Nowadays, revisiting classics like "What is Authority" makes me feel nothing. I know that Im not learning anything. Im just looking at a representation of my greatest fear. 

I don't want to go THERE! IT'S DARK AND SCARY!

But this Forum, RIGHT HERE, is cool. Love you guys. This is, indeed, the place to be.

 

 

[Adrian colby]

52 minutes ago, Judy2 said:

For someone who has been struggling with functional emotional regulation - are there any practical first steps that you can recommend taking, other than building basic emotional awareness and learning to label emotions as they pop up?

First step is usually to see if you are actually embodied. Difficult emotions that cannot be coped with or regulated early on in life can result in disembodying, shutting down or developing stimming behaviours to deflect the energy.

dealing with and regulating requires feeling it in the body and it can be very uncomfortable and in extreme cases ( like autism) painful. But it has to be let in and felt. Focusing on the breath ( breathing technique) and focusing on the sensation of the emotion and what it is like and where in the body, describing it to yourself can help disrupt the thoughts that are triggering it. It lessens the intensity to a point that you can then manage to introspect about the thoughts that took place before the emotion appeared. If you remember back to the last time you felt that way, the situation that happened before you felt that way and the thoughts you had, you can identify each time in your life that it has occured. You will see a pattern that often stems right back to a first instance in your childhood where you developed that probably as a survival mechanism as an adaptation to the situation or an inability to cope with or process an overwhelming feeling. 
 

if it’s the result of a trauma, you have to be mindful that when you open yourself up to feeling again, it can retraumatise you after years of shutdown giving you the impression you are ok or have moved on. Sometimes it’s not noticeable that it’s happening because it’s so subtle or part of the subconscious. Be gentle with yourself when opening back up to feel and certainly use the breath to regulate. Meditating to practice quieting the mind is a good method to train yourself to stop and regulate. 
 

after an introspection session and a feeling of a strong or uncomfortable emotion, somatic release is advised. When you’re finished, don’t continue to hold the tension or fight with the emotion. Allow it to flow. Cry, shake, go for a walk, a run, beat a pillow or a kick pad, singing, dancing, some motion. Holding tension within the body builds up and causes inflamation.

sitting and watching how your mind works and how you think about and respond to situations allows you to learn, understand and integrate resulting in wisdom of your experiences. In the future they will become enjoyable lessons not traumatic events. 

[Judy2]

@Adrian colbythank you:)

[Rafael Thundercat]

7 hours ago, samijiben said:

I don't want to go THERE! IT'S DARK AND SCARY!

But this Forum, RIGHT HERE, is cool. Love you guys. This is, indeed, the place to be.

Without a Reference experience listen the Videos is just entretainment, maybe educative. I enjoy every video no matter how mindfuck it is because I have some reference experiences of some of the topics. Maybe not reference experiences as deep as Leo but I am fine with the ones I have for now, and there is no jealousy of his Infinity Awakenings since I know is up to each one decide how deep to go. The 5Meo is always ready for me to hit when I feel is a good time.