New Video: What Is Fake Spirituality?

[aurum]

I see Leo is dropping his Aubrey Marcus response video 

This was episode was a good reminder for me. I've been doing so much survival lately that my "doing nothing" time has mostly slowly slipped away. Keeping it all balanced is a challenge in of itself.

Thankfully, I will have a lot of free time coming up. The insights over the next year or so should be insane. I'm aiming to fit in multiple retreats.

[CARDOZZO]

Deep insights. Thanks Leo for all your work. 

I got emotional after seeing it, getting into the insights and hearing this music:

 

[Princess Arabia]

According to this video, I'm doing deep spiritual work without even realizing it. 

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, aurum said:

I see Leo is dropping his Aubrey Marcus response video 

Lol

Aubrey is a very inspiring guy.

Edited July 16 by Leo Gura

[Princess Arabia]

My two favorite silly lines in the video "How's selling dick pills raising your consciousness" and "sitting around with your stupid friends."

Most intense was "because you are free of your own bullshit" about annihilation of the self. The last 5-10 mins made a sista cry. I'm in love with reality to the point where sometimes it turns to hate, but I'm aware that that hate is frustration love and it doesn't last long. I realized a lot of what was said. Beautiful.

 

Edited July 16 by Princess Arabia

[Natasha Tori Maru]

55 minutes ago, aurum said:

I see Leo is dropping his Aubrey Marcus response video 

I noticed that... Let us say -the conscious- reaction video 

Leo could have just slapped that label on it for excessive views 

I will say - that whole situation was a great case study to illustrate false spirituality.

They want spiritual ice-cream, not the true spiritual chemotherapy !

Edited July 16 by Natasha Tori Maru

[Leo Gura]

@Natasha Tori Maru Spiritual sex-candy

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Leo Gura

It's fucken' true though - Aubrey wants his little spiritual PES-dispenser of women 

[aurum]

29 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

They want spiritual ice-cream, not the true spiritual chemotherapy !

boo ice cream 

[Nemra]

@freddyteisen, psilocybin and DMT.

I haven't tried the other ones yet.

Edited July 16 by Nemra

[Someone here]

I only watched 45 minutes.  Great start .i think it's "safe" to continue. 

The points I learned is that spiritual practices can be done in so many different ways but all of them must have a common factor. not "anything goes". So spirituality must be grounded in something or some principles like truth-seeking. 

I don't agree that spirituality is truth seeking. That's called epistemology . I think spirituality is developing a consciousness of a mystic like psychonauts ...Also learning what spirituality is by observation. People who engage in spiritual practices do so to raise their awareness and connection to the universe ..the typical "new age " stuff that Leo is pointing against.  Truth seeking is the goal of science and philosophy not spirituality. But I will continue watching to see ...

 

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

I don't agree that spirituality is truth seeking.

This is an incoherent view.

Because if God exists, spirituality must be about contact with God.

But God is Truth.

So you cannot contact God without Truth.

Spirituality isn't merely truth-seeking. Spirituality IS TRUTH.

See, fake spirituality runs so deep that people have lost with something so basic and clear.

Edited July 16 by Leo Gura

[Someone here]

29 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

This is an incoherent view.

Because if God exists, spirituality must be about contact with God.

But God is Truth.

So you cannot contact God without Truth.

Spirituality isn't merely truth-seeking. Spirituality IS TRUTH.

See, fake spirituality runs so deep that people have lost with something so basic and clear.

Good point .yes it makes logical sense . I need to watch the entire episode to make a fair assessment.  I'm not sure it's clear to most people that God is truth .it's like putting the cart before the horse. You seek truth then you discover truth is God. But for a scientist truth is just whatever we discover in the observable universe. Maybe truth is we are in a video game some teenagers are playing in the year 2233..so thinks the skeptic and scientist. 

I know that truth is God but its not so obvious for most people. 

[Rafael Thundercat]

And example of the problem of looking for Love to be externaly sourced, a conversation between  two women:

Woman 1 
“it’s not a crush, it’s just limerance” “you’re not in love, you just have attachment issues”
can we stop pathologizing some of the best parts of human existence for 5 seconds I’m begging

Woman 2
I once said, with a touch of hyperbole and whimsy, that I wish someone would love me in a cosmic adoration kind of way and a man came into the comments saying, "That's just projection. Sorry to be honest but you should be able to handle it."

I blocked that condescending wimp. I recall seeing his posts about him loathing unsolicited advices, yet he himself was the type who jumped into people's comments intellectualizing everything and preaching his opinion like it was the truth.

[Judy2]

@Leo Gura

Hi Leo:)

thanks for the new episode! if you don't mind, i have got a question.

it's nothing exclusive to this episode, but there've also been many instances in the past in which you referred to your hands as a spiritual anchor, and that looking at your hands can help you get in touch with a God-realised state. i have sort of experienced the spiritual power of this practice myself, but on top of that, i also have experienced an additional context that makes me conflicted or confused about this practice.

now, the thing i find curious about this is that medical professionals list "your hands looking strange/foreign" as a central criterion for depersonalisation and dissociation. i was taught that this type of thing usually happens as a survival mechanism in moments of intense stress (like a plane crash, for example). i myself have experienced dissociation in the form of depersonalisation and derealisation, with one side-effect being that my hands look really strange to me (or my face looking weird in the mirror), and have perceived it as both spiritual and also as stressful and scary to the point that i had a panic attack. i have also seen another woman dissociate to the point that she was in a spasm on the ground, which looked sort of like an epileptic shock. generally speaking, medical professionals in the psychiatric field warn of dissociation as it can become a bad habit. they say that once that door is opened, it can happen all the time as a dysfunctional coping mechanism that blocks access to emotions, and conceive of it as "problem behaviour" that can inhibit therapy. it can also go hand in hand with a sense of overwhelment, emotional repression, and infantile regression, of not wanting to take responsibility...so almost the opposite of what true spirituality is about.

i myself do have a slightly more nuanced perspective on this, as i also know about spirituality and moments of ego death where the sense of the separate self is dissolved. so it's confusing to say why something so negative (a stress reaction and abdication of responsibility...the ego going into hiding out of a sense of sheer overwhelment) and something so positive (realising God and Truth) both make it so that the hands look that foreign and strange, if not to say "estranged". whichever direction you take this in (i think both are legitimate), i find it curious that it's the hands that hold such power as an anchor. i wonder if you have a theory on why that is. 

Edited July 16 by Judy2

[Davino]

Sovereignty of Mind as a second part of what is Authority would be a banger.

[Aaron p]

This shit is next level

[AION]

I finished watching the video. In my opinion even survival is spirituality because everything involves consciousness. It is a necessary thing on the path of individuation. Truth is not about seeking truth. It is about confronting your unconsciousness and getting truth as a result. I think Osho and such knew that their wrongdoings weren't spiritual. They just couldn't help themselves because they understood spirituality but they didn't understand human psychology. Sometimes you just have to let a run a child run wild instead of forcing him into a boxed behavior because that won't grow him as a person. In the same way every grown up has their own individual path of learning.

Edited July 16 by AION

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, AION said:

I think Osho and such knew that their wrongdoings weren't spiritual. They just couldn't help themselves because they understood spirituality but they didn't understand human psychology.

No!

What they were doing wasn't just not spiritual. It was false. They were not conscious of survival and conflated with spirituality.

Edited July 16 by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, Judy2 said:

i wonder if you have a theory on why that is.

I'll tell you exactly what it is.

If you are having a negative emotional reaction to your present experience of reality, you are unconscious that your mind is creating that reaction. You need more consciousness to recognize that you are doing it.

You are framing this situation as something negative happening to you. No. It is something you are doing but refusing to look into and stop.

Your hands look strange? Okay. So what? Why is that negative? Your mind is creating that negativity by imagining some negative meaning to it. So you need to carefully look at what your mind is doing, take ownership of it, and stop it.

Adopt the frame that you are creating all negative emotions. Then look for how you are doing it and stop it.

In a sense you are an expert actor who is acting out negative emotional drama to keep yourself busy and distracted. All of your negative emotions are unconscious survival. You're doing them as part of some unconscious survival habit. So apply consciousness to that and question how and why you are creating this negativity.

"My hands look strange" is already something your mind is doing. Try stopping do it.

Edited July 16 by Leo Gura