Pride in being an American is at an historic low

[Hardkill]

 

I honestly don't know if I should still be proud to be an American anymore.

Edited July 6 by Hardkill

[Boethius]

My personal take -- and one that is not tethered to the current political landscape by the way -- is that it is possible for a person to take pride in some of the things that their country does for their citizens and for the global community of nations, it's possible for them to be embarrassed or ashamed by some other things, and regardless of what one feels one has the responsibility to try to make the country better serve the interests of both its people and the global community at large. That's my attempt at synthesizing patriotism and globalism, roughly speaking.

When I apply that view to being an American in 2025, I am hopeful that we are just going through some growing pains and that the sort of great harm (internally and externally) that people on the left fear will not come to pass. So it's not a matter of being "proud" of where we are at right now, so much as a commitment to do what I can as a private citizen and as a Christian to help the nation move through this chapter of history that feels very difficult.

Edited July 6 by Boethius

[trenton]

@Hardkill I'm struggling a little bit with this too. I am strongly considering leaving the country for various reasons. I notice that although I intellectually recognize America as deeply problematic in its international relations and in its governmental corruption, I recognize that part of me still has an emotional attachment to this country because I was born here, lived here all my life, and was bombarded with propaganda that I am now seeing through. America's decline saddens me somewhat which demonstrates a disconnect between my intellectual understanding and my emotional embodiment. I might need to deconstruct my national identity further along with all of my historical analysis which undid many layers of the propaganda and political theater I was exposed to as if it stood for democracy and freedom.

[Wilhelm44]

I dont think pride in one's heritage should be so dependent on the current government or the current state of the economy. 

[Apparition of Jack]

America needs to become the Nation of Nations. That was always its destiny from its very beginning.

Being a nation built off one race’s supremacy/control is fundamentally antithetical to everything it believes in. 

No more white oligarchy and delirious self-interest. It’s time for the American experiment to come to fruition and become the beacon of all humanity - not just MAGAts or Christian nationalists.

[Hardkill]

I get what you guys are saying.

America is still better than most countries on the planet, including every least developed country and every developing country in the world. 

However, I don't think the USA is necessarily better than other developed countries in the world like Canada, UK, France, Australia, Scandinivia, Japan, or Israel, and other developed countries out there in the world.

Also, I worry that America may no longer become a great country.

[Jannes]

31 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

America needs to become the Nation of Nations. That was always its destiny from its very beginning.

Being a nation built off one race’s supremacy/control is fundamentally antithetical to everything it believes in. 

No more white oligarchy and delirious self-interest. It’s time for the American experiment to come to fruition and become the beacon of all humanity - not just MAGAts or Christian nationalists.

Wasnt this kind of what america tended to be before Trump and still is to a good extent? (Of course not perfect)

It will take some time before stage green. 

Edited July 6 by Jannes

[Apparition of Jack]

21 minutes ago, Jannes said:

Wasnt this kind of what america tended to be before Trump and still is to a good extent? (Of course not perfect)

It will take some time before stage green. 

Yes, but it wasn’t there fully. Trump is nothing else if not a massive blowback to the decline of white power over America as a whole. 
 

America has run out of steam for its Blue/Orange stage. Green will eventually emerge, it’s just a question of how long and how painful it’ll be to get there.

[Lyubov]

Not much to be proud of these days. Why would you be proud of the USA in 2025? 

[Hardkill]

34 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

Not much to be proud of these days. Why would you be proud of the USA in 2025? 

Good Question.

To me, the No Kings protests far outshining Trump’s humiliating parade, liberals maintaining control of the Wisconsin State Supreme Court, and Omaha, Nebraska electing the first Black mayor in the city’s history (and the first Democrat to win the mayoralty since 2009) are probably the only things to be proud of so far in America in 2025.

[Hojo]

You should never abandon your country.

[Lyubov]

2 hours ago, Hojo said:

You should never abandon your country.

People absolutely do all the time. States and countries are always changing and they are just as subject to death and decay as anything else. Seems to me society is slowly coming to reckon with the absolutely buffoonery of lying and cheating. A change in seasons is coming. People will eventually realize they are being used as fire word and just abandon the state. Not like there is much left of it anyways after it’s been picked apart by the likes of Trump and his cronies. 

[Hojo]

@LyubovI guess when crisis come and you must leave then you should go.

[Lyubov]

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@LyubovI guess when crisis come and you must leave then you should go.

The thing is people are starting to go crazy, so much lies and poison has polluted everyone so much that there is tremendous instability now and the one safeguard of that in society, the state, is so deeply mistrusted that it’s like everyone are turning into wild pigs. So there will be many jumping ship and society will have to reorder itself. States will fall apart during this process. 

[BlueOak]

3 hours ago, Lyubov said:

The thing is people are starting to go crazy, so much lies and poison has polluted everyone so much that there is tremendous instability now and the one safeguard of that in society, the state, is so deeply mistrusted that it’s like everyone are turning into wild pigs. So there will be many jumping ship and society will have to reorder itself. States will fall apart during this process. 

Yes. This was the critical thing I was at pains to highlight when republicans backed Trump against the courts. The resulting instability is now inherent all throughout American society because the courts themselves lost some legitimacy. Its the same thing with the supreme courts.

I understand it is what fascists do, they transfer power to the leader from instutitions like the courts and the people themselves, but the resulting instability is self-evident in things like the national guard vs the population but it's more practically a problem in things like others ignoring court orders as a result. The increasing number of sovereign citizens rewriting their own laws as an example. Someone here may laugh at that, but when they pull a gun and start a shootout, nobody finds it funny.

Even if you don't support him, when the leader of a country defies the courts and calls them corrupt, that subconsciously and often consciously sinks in to the population that identifies with the country.

Edited July 7 by BlueOak

[Ajay0]

 It is my perception that the American democracy has been led off-course by the plutocratic and stratocratic elements of the deep state within.

To a large extent this is a fault of the american people who were not able to educate themselves properly and act correctly so as to hold the government accountable for its lapses in conduct and administration and ensure it is set in a proper course.

Consequently there has been poor decisionmaking  that has driven it off-course by a wide tangent, and is now in a danger zone.

It's intellectuals have recognized the danger but not the conditioned masses.

[Twentyfirst]

Move to Utah

[carterfelder]

I'm incredibly thankful for Trump's presidency and I love America.

[PurpleTree]

I think pride in the country is low in many countries not just US. Also UK, France, Germany, Russia and so on. But yea in the US the recent „war“ on Gaza and the division with Trump probably made things worse for America.

[Rafael Thundercat]

22 hours ago, trenton said:

@Hardkill I'm struggling a little bit with this too. I am strongly considering leaving the country for various reasons. I notice that although I intellectually recognize America as deeply problematic in its international relations and in its governmental corruption, I recognize that part of me still has an emotional attachment to this country because I was born here, lived here all my life, and was bombarded with propaganda that I am now seeing through. America's decline saddens me somewhat which demonstrates a disconnect between my intellectual understanding and my emotional embodiment. I might need to deconstruct my national identity further along with all of my historical analysis which undid many layers of the propaganda and political theater I was exposed to as if it stood for democracy and freedom.

I remember hearing comments on youtube when immigrants were running from Syria to save their life. Some comments coming from Westerns like this: " You people, stay an figth for your country instead of running to Europe!!"

So, ironic isn't it?