The Purpose Of A Girlfriend Is To Dream Deeper Into The Matrix

[How to be wise]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Do you understand that I have higher priorities?

Like what? It’s been a month since you posted a video. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

7 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

Like what? It’s been a month since you posted a video. 

There's an assumption here videos are the ultimate priority. You are looking at how Leo can be of value to you through his work, not what is an intrinsic value to him (above searching for root).

Videos could possibly be a byproduct of his work, only. 

 

[Leo Gura]

@How to be wise Listen to the lass. She gets it.

[cistanche_enjoyer]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Humans are shallow puddles. God is a bottomless ocean.

You basically have the whole eternity after death to explore the bottomless ocean of God.

But your time here on earth is limited. Why don’t you use the few years you have left here to enjoy the (illusion of) company of other humans and be more loving?

Isn’t this the whole point of incarnating here?

[Puer Aeternus]

4 minutes ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

But your time here on earth is limited. Why don’t you use the few years you have left here to enjoy the (illusion of) company of other humans and be more loving?

Isn’t this the whole point of incarnating here?

 

On a more serious note, that's one point you can personally find lots of value in!

But it ain't the only game in town  spending lots of time with others is not a fit for everyone.

[Emerald]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Pretty much.

Humans are shallow puddles. God is a bottomless ocean.

Are you sure that human beings are shallow?

Or is it just that you fail to recognize the depth?

[Keryo Koffa]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Humans are shallow puddles.

1. What about Aliens?
2. Does it ever feel, like you're just repeating
   the same insights across the same aesthetics
   and the same speeches, events, people,
   just recycled across time?

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Emerald said:

Or is it just that you fail to recognize the depth?

They fail to recognize the depth

[Puer Aeternus]

2 hours ago, Emerald said:

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Humans are shallow puddles. God is a bottomless ocean.

Are you sure that human beings are shallow?

Or is it just that you fail to recognize the depth?

Can it be both? I think it can be both.

I think the superficial layer humans carry around can be quite shallow.

After years of observing humans and talking to them, I feel most are playing a social mimicry. And so was I unconsciously!

People seem to organize themselves fairly predictably around social bubbles. From these social bubbles.. they adopt ways of thinking, dressing, making a living, seeing the world. They become stereotypes of each other with some variation. Their bubble imposes limits on them which I know I will pass. It isn't very original.

So, I don't get much from socializing with someone on the street for the sake of socializing. I'll pick up on their script and it'll feel like I'm just communicating in clichés and their bubble lingo back to them.

Do think there's more depth in underlying the structures behind people though. The ones they're not really aware of. It is more of a puzzle, a mystery. One can think of many questions to ask! Why are people social thinkers? How does thinking change when people are in big groups? How do groups interact and fight with each other?

For now, it is still interesting to me. And Leo is right, most aren't consciously aware of eeehh "spiritual things" or have a highly distorted version. Which is a different can of worms.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter much. Be interested what you're interested in.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Pretty much.

Humans are shallow puddles. God is a bottomless ocean.

This phrasing, I trip and fall through its logical conclusion.

For this statement to be true, this Leo must consider himself non-human. Dive in internally, only to break ones neck on the shallow puddle 🙃

Replacing the word 'human' with 'human relationships' would serve to lacerate out the subject without the extrapolation. 

But in any event, I think you have a berometer for a type of intelligence you haven't ever seen in a woman's body. One scale of intelligence is relevant only.

Edited June 19 by Natasha Tori Maru

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

For this statement to be true, this Leo must consider himself non-human.

Leo is a bottomless ocean 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

For myself I just cannot be stuffed with the attraction and dating phase of relationships.

People have depth to me, but I have to guess if there is a pothole of verticle ocean hidden in what appears to be a shallow puddle. 

Can I be stuffed toeing the puddle to check for depth? 

At the moment, no way man

[Emerald]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

They fail to recognize the depth

And you believe that you don't fail to recognize the depth?

[BlessedLion]

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It's just too shallow for me relative to philosophy and God.

No woman gives me depth. Especially not any woman I would want to sleep with.

I kinda get this- also relationships require a ton of time and energy, and it’s something you have to manage-  it’s not ideal for a contemplative lifestyle. 

[Emerald]

2 hours ago, Puer Aeternus said:

Can it be both? I think it can be both.

I think the superficial layer humans carry around can be quite shallow.

Certainly it can be both, depending on the perspective.

People can operate in shallower and deeper ways depending on the person, in regard to the comparison between their actions, thoughts, and feelings.

But to say that "Human beings are shallow" indicates a dismissal of the level of depth that's there... even in the simplest interactions. And it is only to see depth in the realm of high intellect and spiritual insight.

For example, I was with my daughter at this Cat Café in town. And she was just saying something simple... probably about cats or school or something. Nothing particularly deep or novel... just a regular conversation.

But in that moment, I recognized shining through her the infinite depths... and within that one moment, and I could see that it was all that was happening in the universe. 

It was a very mundane moment. But I really felt the meaning of the word namaste come through in her in some kind of palpable way for just a second or two. 

Someone who believes that "human beings are shallow puddles" would not be capable of recognizing and connecting to such depths that shine through in mundane moments of human-to-human connection.

Also, it creates a sense of separation and a blocker to intimacy to have such a differentiating judgments that's essentially like, "I'm so deep and people are so shallow." And this judgment will rend a person from the fabric of existence itself such that one feels like a stranger in a strangled in their very own home.

And from the perspective of someone who used to make the same mistake, that comes with a lot of collateral damage: shame, isolation, loneliness, unmet needs for intimacy, and a combative relationship with the body and the physical world.

[Puer Aeternus]

@Emerald

I have nothing crazy to add, just wanting to say those are some good points! I do see what you're saying and the value more now.

Think I just got too lost in the sauce of my personal preference. There can be depth on many levels that I don't presently appreciate.

[meta_male]

9 hours ago, BlessedLion said:

I kinda get this- also relationships require a ton of time and energy, and it’s something you have to manage-  it’s not ideal for a contemplative lifestyle. 

Can't decide if this is an illusion or actually true in all cases. In my experience it's true.

[kbone]

9 hours ago, Emerald said:

And you believe that you don't fail to recognize the depth?

🎯

like above

🎯Correspondence is key🎯

so below

🎯

[Alexop]

Emerald And Princess: https://www.actualized.org/insights/why-masculinity-values-truth-more

Read this 10 times. This is what I wanted to mean, but I could not write a 10000 word text because nobody would read my comment, I am a nobody.

And my english is not the best, keep in mind that some people are not native english speakers here. Don't get what they mean? Ask.

Cheers master, that was a good one.

Edited Sunday at 08:24 PM by Alexop

[Emerald]

5 hours ago, Alexop said:

Emerald And Princess: https://www.actualized.org/insights/why-masculinity-values-truth-more

Read this 10 times. This is what I wanted to mean, but I could not write a 10000 word text because nobody would read my comment, I am a nobody.

And my english is not the best, keep in mind that some people are not native english speakers here. Don't get what they mean? Ask.

Cheers master, that was a good one.

Personally, I haven't observed this gender difference in real life. People tend to be quite self-deceived all around, regardless of gender. Men are not more truthful (to themselves or others) than women.

It's honestly just people who dedicate themselves to the monastic life that are committed to Truth, and there's no guarantee that they'll actually wake up.

And I'll grant you most of them are male because that is a Masculine path about the transcendence of the world of matter. 

But most people (men and women) are on the Feminine path which is the path where God deludes itself into believing the falsehood that it is a limited being. And illusion is necessary for this avatar path to be realized.

Truth works in opposition to the avatar path. And waking up from it is just death, plain and simple.

And that is why illusion of the finite is valuable to God, as it gives it a valuable contrast from its default which is Truth and Infinity. It tricks itself into believing it is a limited human being... or some other life-form.

This is why most people on the "path of Truth" are usually actively engaged in illusory thinking because they see illusion as bad and truth as good... and they see themselves as a human trying to wake up from the illusion... instead of as God deliberately tricking itself into the illusion of humanity.

So, they don't realize that it's just more illusion and that they (as God) are doing a great job at tricking themselves with these illusory stories about Truth.

And it seems to me that men who claim to care about Truth in the context of this forum are just lying to themselves in order to increase their social status within the spiritual non-dual enlightenment-seeking sub-culture... as a very specific form of Masculine spiritual ego to try to compete with women and prove themselves superior, in order to get away from feelings of inferiority and shame relative to women.

They fail to recognize the wisdom of the illusion... even as they are entirely wrapped up in the illusion with their stories about Truth.

And the resistance to illusion and valuing Truth over illusion brings their perspective out of alignment with the perspective of God, who does not prefer Truth over illusion... hence solidifying the perspective of duality and therefore the illusion.

But I'm unlikely to believe someone's commitment to Truth who doesn't pursue a monastic life. So, lots of guys on this forum are just competing within the illusion to solidify an identity of being "the rare person who values Truth".... or to solidify the collective identity of "men as the Truth-valuing gender".

The illusion is tricky in this sense.