Israel launches attack on Iran

[Nivsch]

11 hours ago, zazen said:

But its the same survival logic of vulnerability that is causing Iran to want to pursue nukes or keep the capability to do so

This is valid, still doesn't mean it is responsible or mature enough to have it. Perhaps they should have thought about this before declared so passionately on their desire to eliminate Israel and the US.

Edited June 21 by Nivsch

[PurpleTree]

7 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

huge gaza protest in my city today 

It was nice honestly. Not much of the woke stuff.

People there from all ages, races and religions. Also some Israelis/Jews.

[Inliytened1]

9 hours ago, Lyubov said:

Trump is weighing the political fallout back home if he bombs Iran. People remember him running on being an isolationist especially his most vocal supports like Tucker. He’s “alt” right, remember? Not establishment but populist. It would greatly hurt his approval and political will at home. Establishment US hegemony wants to bomb Iran and right wing populists have managed to carve out a path towards electoral victory by distancing themselves from that wing of their party. Establishment have been salivating at the idea for a long time and Trump isn’t sure which to go with because in a dirty way US could bomb Iran for some positives. Long term I think this greatly hurts trust in government. 

He isn't weighing anything it's his advisors.  And thank God for that.

[Inliytened1]

13 hours ago, zazen said:

It's understandable why Israel went for nukes out of survival logic -

People have told you in this thread, some from Iran itself- multiple times - that Iran's regime's sole purpose is to wipe Israel off the map.   You are so blinded by the destruction in Gaza that you refuse to see Israel's perspective at all.  

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Edited June 22 by Inliytened1

[Karmadhi]

To be honest @Nivsch as much as we argue with each other on this forum you are one of the most reasonable and fair minded Israelis I have seen (I have talked with tons online) and therefore firstly I commend you for that and also  I do geniouly value your input

Do you support this war Israel is doing with Iran?

Do you support Israel having nuclear weapons illegally and not declaring it?

I want to hear your thoughts

[chess_king]

 

 

Edited June 22 by chess_king

[sholomar]

Trump just launched attacks on Iran, so now the US is involved... seems like a lot of righties on the conspiracy forums don't necessarily agree with this move either but these righties were anti-israel before it became popular on the left.   Enjoying the global theater by the money changers and profit mongers. 

Trumpie is going to speak at 9PM CST  (2AM GMT or about 90 minutes from now)

Edited June 22 by sholomar

[Inliytened1]

9 minutes ago, sholomar said:

Trump just launched attacks on Iran, so now the US is involved... seems like a lot of righties on the conspiracy forums don't necessarily agree with this move either but these righties were anti-israel before it became popular on the left.   Enjoying the global theater by the money changers and profit mongers. 

Trumpie is going to speak at 9PM CST  (2AM GMT or about 90 minutes from now)

Good.  Needed to happen. 

[PurpleTree]

14 minutes ago, sholomar said:

Trump just launched attacks on Iran, so now the US is involved... seems like a lot of righties on the conspiracy forums don't necessarily agree with this move either but these righties were anti-israel before it became popular on the left.   Enjoying the global theater by the money changers and profit mongers. 

Trumpie is going to speak at 9PM CST  (2AM GMT or about 90 minutes from now)

He’s dumber and weaker than i thought. Good bye Maga. 

[Inliytened1]

25 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

He’s dumber and weaker than i thought. Good bye Maga. 

If he didn't react in real-time and was a robot to MAGA i would be more scared.   No.   What's happening now is a necessary evil.

[Lyubov]

USA’s word is as good as dirt now. 

For the love of god, arm yourself Europe. 
 

 

[BlessedLion]

1 hour ago, Lyubov said:

USA’s word is as good as dirt now. 

For the love of god, arm yourself Europe. 
 

 

God damnit

[BlessedLion]

criminals, both of them

[BlessedLion]

the whole thing is absolute bullshit- netanyahu is a criminal and he is full of shit and somehow trump was spineless enough to join him. It's all a geo-political grab, he's been saying iran has nukes for decades- trump is just his little bitch i guess

[zazen]

7 hours ago, Nivsch said:

This is valid, still doesn't mean it is responsible or mature enough to have it. Perhaps they should have thought about this before declared so passionately on their desire to eliminate Israel and the US.

Like I shared, it’s rhetorical. They can’t and won’t wipe anyone off the map - they’re mainly against the policies. Perhaps US-Israel shouldn’t create the conditions for them to be hated by the world so much.

 

This could be true. Things could de-escalate now as the US can save face with this strike - but Iran now needs to retaliate to the US in order to save face.

If it’s contained and theatric, the US could decide enough is enough. But then the US also can’t be seen to be hit by Iran and not do nothing - even if it’s theatric with no lives lost. Remember how Iran retaliated against Israel with advanced warning and didn’t kill anyone? That’s a de-escalatory face saving strike. But this crosses a different threshold between Iran and the US.

Each side needs to hit just hard enough to preserve credibility, but not hard enough to force the other to hit back harder. War has its own logic that can spiral out of control.

It seems likely the facility isn’t fully destroyed so the question is will Israel stop striking and escalating? This may fulfil the US’s need to maintain its image of being a strong hegemon but it doesn’t meet Israels demand for denying Iran nuclear capability or bringing about regime change.

Theatrics and symbolism only work when all players are playing by the same playbook.

 

Edited June 22 by zazen

[Joshe]

In Trump’s announcement, he boasted of bringing immense destruction and followed by thanking God for the success of it. Lol. It almost seemed genuine. I wonder if he’s finally getting audience captured by his Christian base. 

[zazen]

On 19/06/2025 at 11:25 PM, zazen said:

https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/what-i-have-been-told-is-coming-in
 

Isn’t Seymour Hersh a pretty networked guy with insider access?  Apparently attacks going ahead this weekend.

“This is a report on what is most likely to happen in Iran, as early as this weekend, according to Israeli insiders and American officials I’ve relied upon for decades. It will entail heavy American bombing. I have vetted this report with a longtime US official in Washington, who told me that all will be “under control” if Iran’s Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei “departs.” Just how that might happen, short of his assassination, is not known. There has been a great deal of talk about American firepower and targets inside Iran, but little practical thinking, as far I can tell, about how to remove a revered religious leader with an enormous following.

I have reported from afar on the nuclear and foreign policy of Israel for decades. My 1991 book The Samson Option told the story of the making of the Israeli nuclear bomb and America’s willingness to keep the project secret. The most important unanswered question about the current situation will be the response of the world, including that of Vladimir Putin, the Russian president who has been an ally of Iran’s leaders.

The United States remains Israel’s most important ally, although many here and around the world abhor Israel’s continuing murderous war in Gaza. The Trump administration is in full support of Israel’s current plan to rid Iran of any trace of a nuclear weapons program while hoping the ayatollah-led government in Tehran will be overthrown.”

So Seymour Hersh was correct. Whether this escalates and spirals out of control or not - one thing is certain: trust in the US will be even lower, especially with Iran. They lulled them into complacency during negotiations when Israel struck them, and now again with the “two week delay” on a decision which seems was already decided upon and acted upon 2 days after dropping the 2 week notice. Another rug pull.

Edited June 22 by zazen

[Twentyfirst]

It's funny how the Iran chants are directed at USA and Israel and nobody else. Gee I wonder why?

[Twentyfirst]

Iran already said they would not build nukes and only enrich to a low percentage. Why demand removal of all enrichment? 

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Twentyfirst said:

Iran already said they would not build nukes and only enrich to a low percentage. Why demand removal of all enrichment? 

You take them at their word? Were you born yesterday?

Edited June 22 by Inliytened1