What is the point of spirituality?

[aurum]

2 hours ago, Davino said:

To realize God and Infinity.

 

The rest of answers are either tangents, midway or facets of the first statement. 

/end thread

[Hojo]

From my made up understanding its about clearing your psyche then learning how to generate power for yourself.

Stop engagement with thought

Thought ceases.

Generate energy.

When you die you will have the same psyche. You will be in God mode you will be able to do whatever you want. If your imagination leans to something you will gradually create more and more of the same. You will become so demented and you wont be able to stop it. You will keep spiraling until God comes and resets you. You are now born again and have to try to fix your psyche again.

 

Ie i am obsessed with sex. When my imagination is free it thinks about sex. When I have no body I will be thinking about sex. I can do it as much as I want I will keep doing it to infinity. My imagination will slowly get more and more deranged and fucked up I will be fucking corpses and demented people and not know why I am doing it. I am in permanent suffering and can't stop. Now I need to be reset so God gives me new experiences and now I have a chance to not demented my psyche.

If you dont reset or cleanse you psyche to nothing you will automatically spiral to a certain direction.

Edited June 11 by Hojo

[Joshe]

5 hours ago, Davino said:

To realize God and Infinity.

But this is just what some guru has told you. What does this actually achieve? 

Is it freedom or liberation you’re after?

Is it just about a deep desire to know the ultimate reality? 

What does becoming God get you? Of those who claim to be God-realized, they are very much still the same humans they have been regarding temperament, habits, etc. Nothing much changes. So why? What do you get? 

Is it a feeling? A feeling of wholeness? 

 

Edited June 11 by Joshe

[Deziree]

God realization mate. 

[kavaris]

what if you could go back in time and experience it all from the point a decade ago. Ppl woulda been very confused. its like, the fusing of two worlds separated through time... spirituality can be indicative of the time that separates us, it could be about whatever you want it to be.

[Jirh]

The point of spirituality is to:

1. Pause from the material chase.
2. Reconnect with one's essence.
3. Ultimately, maintain mental health.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

For myself it was a search for meaning.

As a child I incessantly asked why? Why why?

This turned into my first awakening.

Which in turn revealed a truth that enabled me to sit with, and endure, the transient nature of this matter existence.

Now I deal with the illusion like a player in a game. Smash that shit.

But in my alone time, mediation has shown me not all my thoughts do, in fact, belong to me. I am now in a process of learning precisely which thoughts are my own, and which are foreign. I previously understood all the thoughts and chains in my mind were all mine. Not so. I don't really understand what is going on, just rolling with it. 

So this has become the new point for me

[Razard86]

On 6/10/2025 at 2:32 PM, Joshe said:

Regarding the pursuit of spirituality, it seems people are motivated by: 

• Attaining a permanent state of awe (replacing negative emotion with positive)
• Exploring and finding easter eggs within consciousness (fun times)
• Getting high from cracking the puzzles and discovering new insights (fun times)
• Traversing the complexity of consciousness (fun times)

I'm sure there are more, but these seem to be dominant. So what is the point? 

Mostly seems like hedonism and running from pain, masquerading as purpose. 

Seems to me, the higher pursuit would be to ground spirituality in physical reality and use it to make oneself an instrument of good in this world rather than seek to "transcend" it all together. Unless there's some point besides just chasing some state some guru talks about. 

All the theories you find, and all the states you experience — no matter how intricate and beautiful — seem like a waste of time if not grounded in the real world. Essentially like a traveler traveling the world in pursuit of evermore beautiful landscapes. Eventually, with enough awareness, the traveler realizes that making the point of life to cast one's eyes upon a landscape is ridiculous. 

The point is to escape the materialist paradigm so you experience the Absolute soberly without the need of spiritual practices or drugs.

[Leo Gura]

The point of spirituality is to see spirit.

[VeganAwake]

The self illusion is never satisfied, It feels incomplete within the illusory experience of being a separate individual. So it seeks & seeks & seeks.......Financial success, stardom, religion/spirituality, materialism, intelligence, truth.

There's no real universal purpose for anything, including spirituality.

Any answer would just be an opinion/belief or guess.

Spirituality isn't even real......it's just a grouping of differing actions/beliefs that people are in agreeance with as being "spiritual"

For example, is riding a horse less spiritual than a meditation/yoga practice?

The self illusion is needy and never satisfied. Because of this, it gets into all sorts of endeavors

❤️ 

[gettoefl]

The moment by moment undoing of the mindless madness of what senses will display before me.

I hereby forgive myself for believing the reality of what's in front of me namely the mindless madness I am each second generating.

Undoing the false ushers in the true.

There is no sickness, no separation, no sin, no specialness, no sacrifice, no suffering, no self.

I am placing all these on the stage and I am equally free to no longer see them on the stage.

Thus arrives the fruit of spirituality.

[Joshe]

3 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

The self illusion is never satisfied, It feels incomplete within the illusory experience of being a separate individual. So it seeks & seeks & seeks.......Financial success, stardom, religion/spirituality, materialism, intelligence, truth.

There's no real universal purpose for anything, including spirituality.

Any answer would just be an opinion/belief or guess.

Spirituality isn't even real......it's just a grouping of differing actions/beliefs that people are in agreeance with as being "spiritual"

For example, is riding a horse less spiritual than a meditation/yoga practice?

The self illusion is needy and never satisfied. Because of this, it gets into all sorts of endeavors

❤️ 

Yes! Thank you. 

[Joshe]

On 6/11/2025 at 5:08 AM, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I previously understood all the thoughts and chains in my mind were all mine. Not so. I don't really understand what is going on, just rolling with it. 

Nice! To make a practice of labeling the activities of the mind as either "mine" or "not mine" seems like it could be powerful. Is the point to remove noise, or negativity? I'm guessing noise, because you want efficiency of mind? 

Edited Thursday at 03:23 PM by Joshe

[Joshe]

That's some good fruit @gettoefl!

[Natasha Tori Maru]

8 hours ago, Joshe said:

Nice! To make a practice of labeling the activities of the mind as either "mine" or "not mine" seems like it could be powerful. Is the point to remove noise, or negativity? I'm guessing noise, because you want efficiency of mind? 

At first it was becoming aware of my thoughts, and how they flow. Noticing a thought arising during meditation, and just being witness to the natural chain of logic and feeling that arose. 

EG: "I forgot to chase up the cladding, shit. Now we might be fucked for that schedule, I'll miss the date. Better call the client and move the crane hire back. Rewrite the program and delay 2 deliveries." - during this thought chain, I feel a mixture of upset and frustration I was not responsible. Mild worry at contractors not being available due to all the rescheduling, and facing a problem where I cannot estimate most efficient path/duration.

The above thought and feeling path has a familiar taste to it. I have learned these are my own unique patterns and thoughts.

What is beginning to happen, is I am picking up thought chains either midway in a chain, or completely random ones just pop into my head. Sometimes they have a feeling to them that I don't perceive as familiar.

EG I'll be walking back to my apartment and need to grab my keys from my pocket to swipe in. "Don't reach behind your back, you will hurt your arm overextending. Never put your keys in your bag" This thought doesn't come from my natural flow - and meditation and awareness of my typical thoughts has shown me this. I am able to identify it. Coupled with the above, 80% of the time these thoughts have an event associated. In the 'hurt arm' thought example, I spoke to my mum not 10 minutes later and she told me she reached behind her carseat to grab something, and strained her arm. Similarly, a random thought arrived at work 'Use ai to draw up a kitchenette for the joiner' Again the 'knowing' this wasn't part of the familiar 'Tash' thoughts. A minute or so later, my boss walked up with a sketch of almost identical layout to the prompt I had put into AI, with a request to have it made up for supply/install. I didn't have any work on that required a kitchenette to be drawn, I just wanted to test the AI's ability to dimension something - or so I thought.

Chalk it up to coincidence? Yeah legit could be. But there are now clear tells to me when I am perceiving myself have a thought that is an outlier. And now strange events are pointing to these thoughts perhaps being external to me. I draw no conclusions, just open to what I am revealing. Now I just want to keep witnessing and watching.

This has all arisen as a part of taking meditation a lot more seriously. 

Do I just assume all my thoughts are my own???

Edited Friday at 12:04 AM by Natasha Tori Maru

[Breakingthewall]

Go beyond the limits of human experience and open yourself to the true dimension of what you are. Then, continue living your human experience, but from another perspective.

[samijiben]

The point of spirituality is pointless and infinite and identical to the reason you are on this forum, the substance of the device you are viewing it on, and everything else, actually, now.

Way too much to understand. JUST LOOK!

[Joshe]

@Natasha Tori Maru I've noticed things like this too. Not too long ago my right hip was hurting for no apparent reason and that same day, my mom started complaining about her right hip. This has happened many times. It's as if the mind can be attuned to pick up on things to come or things that are, outside oneself. Like there's a radio transmitter and your mind is a receiver. 

Sometimes, I have not just one but a cascade of synchronicities. I'll have synchronicities about my synchronicities and I can have like 5 in a single hour.  I'll ask a question and all of a sudden a TV show or a song could easily be interpreted as addressing it.

And it seems they cluster around something in the material world. Like a person, a show, or a song. Wheel of Fortune speaks to me. lol. The other day, I was toying with the question: How do you actually embody a whole new mindset and live from it?" As I was thinking about the answer, some dimwit on Dexter said something like "You have to set your sights on who you want to be and lock in on it and don't take your eye off it". 

They seem to be random and come in spurts, although lately I noticed an uptick after I was emotionally relieved of stress and when I let go of it. It always feels like something from the outside is triggering them. 

It's easy to misinterpret these things as well. One time, I was laying in bed and for no reason at all, the word "requiem" popped into my head. I never used that word and didn't even know what it meant. Trying to figure out how it got in my head, I searched through my web history and saw a site that mentioned the word 2 weeks prior. 

Also, being high in pattern-recognition can explain many synchronicities or why some things just come to you, which can feel mystical. The other day, I was standing behind my mom who was sitting in her recliner, and while staring at the TV, I felt an overwhelming sense of being tired, which is unusual. I immediately asked myself "what the hell is this, why did I get tired like this?" and the first thing I thought was that it came from the outside. So I asked my mom if she was asleep (she never sleeps in her chair), and she said "yeah, I dozed off". What happened there was my subconscious detected her breathing slower than usual and her head tilt was 5-10 degrees off from usual. Then, mirror neurons kicked in to make me feel tired. 

Anyway, about the synchronicities, there really seems to be no reason for them, at least that I can penetrate. I never thought of them as "not mine" though. I feel like they are specifically mine and only mine. Everything is for everything else but it's all for me. That's my current understanding, even if I don't actually live from it. 

Edited Friday at 06:03 PM by Joshe

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Joshe

Agree regarding patterns, synchronicity and confluences. They have been constant through my life, and your description of your experience mirrors my own. Don't even need to look for them.

It is serious meditation that has raised that question 'Is every thought that runs through my head, truly my own?' 

Because the flavour of these 'other' thoughts doesnt have my unique feeling signature associated to it! This is the prompt I use to investigate the thought. 

It's always down to meditation, breath. Something inside unknown - why so many orient towards spirituality 🙏

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Infinity and God realization - for myself - was an experience. Temporary. It helps with understanding. But it has nothing on BEING. Which is why I think OP's question is valid, as God realization isn't clearly the answer for everyone.

Spirituality to me is more about the journey of embodiment. Interoception. No external experience has the answer.

Having an aim to be infinity, or the God head, seems counter intuitive to me. Dissolve all definition, when the point of all this is to experience the catalyzing reality of friction, contrast & comparison.