LA Protests

[Breathe]

1 hour ago, aurum said:

So these two sides are battling it out. That's what you're seeing in LA.

This is fascism.

[aurum]

4 minutes ago, Breathe said:

This is fascism.

Yes, you could say that.

[BlueOak]

So now trump wants to 'liberate' LA from the people living there. That's you black and brown people out there.

I can't really describe the utter disgust I have for him, and I don't even live there. He must have everyone looking like him, acting like him, praising him and treating him as a king. They disguise it all under fighting illegal immigration and then arrest people going through legal channels like court appearances. It's just a complete farce, and its going to get violent.

I think it'll be waves of violence, with periods of quiet, but again like India/Pakisatan if the wrong person gets killed, on either side, then you've got large riots and/or martial law and civil unrest like we've not seen since the 80s/90s. 

Narcissists who need everyone to look like them and love themselves, worshipping them, don't make good rulers; they just don't. Forget about talking about eroding public trust in the police; this is going to set the places affected back 20 years. 

Why do I care so much? Because you inspire the same idiocy I have to deal with where I live. Usually a lesser version of it but it filters through everything.

Edited June 9 by BlueOak

[PurpleTree]

Will be interesting when California decides to split from the rest of the bunch.

 

[BlueOak]

I don't usually agree with Hasan 

But when he said, if you don't want anarchy or chaos, you have to, at the very least, advocate for due process and be represented by part of government.

If your family and close friends are getting arrested after going to court, while following due process, if nobody represents you, then you do it yourself. It's that simple. The democrats have gone too far right, and too far into pro state/pro-status quo to represent the people they supposedly represent adequately in times like these. Saying, just stay home and stay safe, doesn't work when they are being targeted directly.

So what does that leave? Anarchy, people vs the state.

@PurpleTree

I don't think any one incident would ever do that, but its straining the status quo, and government legitimacy, with no adequate (or sane) official response to it.

Edited June 9 by BlueOak

[DocWatts]

Also keep in mind that these crack downs are taking place on the eve of Trump of spending $45-90 million taxpayer dollars to throw himself a lavish North Korean style military parade for his birthday.

That endless line of tanks in the video? Those will be tearing up the streets of downtown Washington DC this Saturday.

If you haven't signed up, consider joining us for the No Kings protests on June 14 - which will be taking place everywhere else in the country other than Washington DC.

 

 

 

[Jodistrict]

California has become the primary target of the Trump Administration.  That includes not only the threat of mass deportations but also the threat of witholding federal funds.  If Governor Newsom wants to become president, this is his golden opportunity to meet this challenge.  This is a major test of his leadership.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/californias-governor-unfazed-threats-arrest-trump-administratio-rcna211752

[Daniel Balan]

I don't know anything about American politics, but it seems that Trump is tarnishing Newsom to make sure Newsom is not in a position to win the 2028 elections

[DocWatts]

From Senator Chris Murphy, who's got a good head on his shoulders for his understanding of the Trump regime:

"Here’s what you need to know about what’s going on in Los Angeles. The state and city have the means to control the protests. Donald Trump is getting involved to intentionally make the situation more violent. And potentially to create a pretext for some sort of martial law."
 

 

[Leo Gura]

4 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

I don't know anything about American politics, but it seems that Trump is tarnishing Newsom to make sure Newsom is not in a position to win the 2028 elections

This should help Newsom since the next Dem leader needs to be fiercely anti-Trump.

This gives Newsom a chance to gain popularity fighting Trump.

Edited June 10 by Leo Gura

[Vibes]

On 6/8/2025 at 1:04 PM, Husseinisdoingfine said:

I don’t understand the protestors, why is there so much compassion for people who entered and reside in the country illegally?

 

Edited June 10 by Vibes

[Breathe]

@DocWatts What is your take on protestors vandalizing shit and launching shit at police? Don't we want peaceful protests?

I'm not sure how it all started but shit like that is going to antagonize Trump. We know he'll retaliate and we know what that would likely lead to.

Just curious what you think about all of that.

[LordFall]

There's not much here that looks like peaceful protest to me and I would say that the federal forces/LAPD are pretty restrained and they would be justified in calling for martial law. 

I just watched the Understanding the conservative mind video today ironically, makes a lot of sense to me now. So hard to say though when the due process is also not being respect so hard for me to have a position. 

[digitalkaine]

On 6/8/2025 at 9:07 AM, BlessedLion said:

I also don’t fully understand this. I have compassion for the people getting ripped from their homes and livelihoods and I don’t agree with how the administration is going about it, but they are here illegally. Why is that just okay and encouraged? Why not go through the system legally? 

id say because it costs alot of money to do so takes a lot of time. and its not like people in South america are making a lot of money. 

You dont question why americans are so willing to exploit cheap labor? 

You and I both have benefited for years because of them. 

Edited June 10 by digitalkaine

[Leo Gura]

Trump has a legal right to arrest and deport illegals.

[DocWatts]

1 hour ago, Breathe said:

@DocWatts What is your take on protestors vandalizing shit and launching shit at police? Don't we want peaceful protests?

I'm not sure how it all started but shit like that is going to antagonize Trump. We know he'll retaliate and we know what that would likely lead to.

Just curious what you think about all of that.

To my knowledge none of this behavior is connected to the planned protests organized by #50501, Indivisible, or any other pro-democracy groups. I've attended more than half a dozen of these planned events where exactly zero acts of violence or property damage occurred.

What's happening in LA has the feel of people reacting in a viscerally emotional and unplanned way to having their communities terrorized by ICE. Trump - or to be more accurate, the people behind the curtain like Stephen Miller - are intentionally trying to provoke violence, and escalate the situation to justify the invocation of the Insurrection Act.  The governor of California, the mayor of LA, and even the chief of the LAPD have all said as much.

The regime is hamfistedly manufacturing a crisis in order to build the groundwork for quasi-Martial Law. I say 'quasi' because there's no constitutional or legal framework to invoke marital law, 'declaring' it is akin to ripping up the US Constitution and throwing it in the garbage.

But to your point - yes, optics matter, and we want the protests to be nonviolent. On April 5, 5.2 million people took to the streets in defiance of the Trump regime, without a single instance of property damage or violence that I've heard of. We can marshal how people behave at planned and organized events, but people also behave in somewhat predictable ways to being brutalized that no movement can fully control when we're speaking of a nation of 330 million people.

So we need to be doing two things: 

1) Emphasize like a broken record that protests are more effective when they are peaceful. Note that 'peaceful' doesn't mean non-confrontational or non-disruptive - just look to the civil rights movement to see how effective civil disobedience can be to a nonviolent resistance. Protest movements need two things to be successful - attention and positive optics in the eyes of the public. Violence grabs attention but it's counter productive to maintaining positive optics in the eyes of the public. This is hugely important because positive optics is a large part of what keeps participants safe  -- it makes crack downs much riskier for the regime because of the horrible optics of using disproportionate force against a peaceful movement.

2) Don't cede any ground whatsoever to the regime or its apologists on this issue. The regime is clearly in the wrong for intentionally provoking these communities with its Gestapo-like tactics. ICE agents are Trump's brown shirts -  brutalizing thugs that have absolutely no legal basis for the cruelty they're inflicting. There are ways to remove people who are in this country unlawfully that follow due process and the rule of law. That's not what these ICE raids are - they're about inflicting terror. (Not so fun fact - Biden deported more people than Trump did at this point in their presidency, and didn't have to break the law to do so).

Nazi apologists are going to try to equivocate a handful of people vandalizing cop cars with ICE agents literally disappearing people to concentration camps. The idea that everyone in the country loses their Constitutional Rights to free speech and free assembly because a tiny handful of people engaged in property damage in response to provocation is a narrative that we need to be pushing back against hard. Make no mistake - the regime is crossing a huge red line here by deploying the Marines against US citizens. This is hugely, unprecedentedly illegal. The Posse Comitatus Act is quite explicit about this.

 

 

 

Edited June 10 by DocWatts

[Apparition of Jack]

50 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Trump has a legal right to arrest and deport illegals.

Not without due process.

If America is not built off constitutional law, then it’s not America at all, but rather whatever stooge who’s in power’s personal playground.

EDIT: Trump also led a deadly insurrection on the US capitol. Where was the outrage then? The fact that he’s leading the country and not behind bars for for life for extreme sedition is an injustice that boggles the mind of any thinking individual.

Edited June 10 by Apparition of Jack

[kray]

49 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Trump has a legal right to arrest and deport illegals.

Off of the point of due process, isn’t the whole point not to arrest someone without knowing they whether or not they are in the country legally? How can we determine if someone is here illegally, and not hear on asylum in the process of gaining citizenship, the legal way…..without due process? 

[Daniel Balan]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

This should help Newsom since the next Dem leader needs to be fiercely anti-Trump.

This gives Newsom a chance to gain popularity fighting Trump.

I'm afraid that Newsom will end up like Alexei Navalny of Russia, if Trump continues to behave like a king. 

[Leo Gura]

24 minutes ago, kray said:

isn’t the whole point not to arrest someone without knowing they whether or not they are in the country legally?

Arrest does not require conviction, merely reasonable suspicion of illegality.

Not hard to determine someones legal status or lack of visa.