Trying to Understand the Blackpill

[Miguel1]

3 hours ago, BlessedLion said:

Dont get me wrong, if women were no longer attracted to me in any way I’d be upset, probably suicidal for a while, but I don’t think I’d allow it to send me into some kind of black hole hell

Maybe because when this first starts from your childhood, and continues all thorough your life for decades, it’s a completely different game than when it happens now that you have exhausted and burned that sexual and intimacy need so much.

I’m only 30 but I’m starting to feel and understand Leo more and more on this department. I’ve gotten so much sex and intimacy needs exhausted that at this point, the shit, drama & untruthfulness one needs to go through to get sex & intimacy (at least from normies, aka 99% of people) isn’t necessarily worth it for me anymore.

From this point, having girls suddenly disgusted with me? Fine, not too bad.

But as a child, where social validation is literally life or death for me? Where I haven’t developed the intelligence to know that there are other shit in life to pursue than just sex and intimacy? Where I haven’t exhausted any of my sexual and intimacy needs?

Come on brother.

 

 

[Miguel1]

3 hours ago, Emerald said:

It's a lot easier to join a pill movement that validates and vindicates you in your non-action than it is to approach a girl you find attractive.

Yes, it’s always 10X easier and more enjoyable to lie to yourself and seek affirming communities and idealogies, than to face yourself in the mirror and do the hard, painful work.

Hence self-deception runs amok in humanity.

[Majed]

4 hours ago, BlessedLion said:

Dont get me wrong, if women were no longer attracted to me in any way I’d be upset, probably suicidal for a while, but I don’t think I’d allow it to send me into some kind of black hole hell

Dude getting girls is already batshit difficult for good looking tall guys like me. Imagine the hell it must be if you had some genetic defect. I can only imagine how much of a suicidal situation it'll be.

[AION]

 

[Butters]

On 6-6-2025 at 10:20 AM, Leo Gura said:

Most blackpill guys have serious childhood trauma, abuse, broken families, missing parents, evil mothers, drug addict parents, poverty, depression, mental illness, chemical imbalance, low education, low IQ, low physical appearance, terrible social skills, profound introversion, autism, Aspergers, zero social experience, bad ideological indoctrination.

Yeah, you cannot imagine how bad it is. It's way worse than what you imagine. If you knew their childhoods and life experiences you would be horrified and their beliefs would make perfect sense to you.

These people live in hell and depression and dream of suicide or killing women. It's a sick, sinister, dark form of consciousness. You could almost call it satanic energy.

Blackpill is built on a painful toxic upbringing that creates seething anger and nihilistic apathy.

Normal social guys cannot understand such things. It's like another world. A dark bleak world of trauma and misery with no hope, no redemption. A black hole of self-hatred.

Your life has been too good, too loving to understand. No one hurt you enough, young enough. You had a decent family. You had good genetics. You had a social life.

Very interesting. Now I understand why you don't want to release a black pill video. You're basically talking about meta blackpill, which people would confuse for their own trauma induced, constructed blackpill idealogy, which is based on falsehood. 

[Never_give_up]

@aurumalthough I am feeling much better today, (yesterday I was bitter cause I rembembered my traumas and wanted to vent), I will answer the question. I don't have anything in particular to say, but I remember that I have seen hypocricy too much from people that critisize ''black pill'' beliefs.

the biggest hypocricy from the normie worldview is that:

1)there isn't discrimination for people that are unnatractive. This is very big. There are a ton of studies and anecdotal evidence that shows huge discrimination in serious things in life that ''ugly'' people (short men for example like me) are punished in this life for no other reason just cause they are not attractive. I wrote some personal stuff myself. The opposite is also true, the more attractive someone is, the more rewards he/she will get.

2)gaslighting unnatractive men that they are not trying hard enough. This is not good and it's difficult to explain. You could say that in everything in life we just ''don't try hard enough'' when we don't succeed but I wonder, can people really try hard enough? Some do try and get or don't get results but most people just have a limit. We don't blame the average person for not being a billionaire or not being a bodybuilder or whatever cause he/she didn't try hard enough, but we understand that they didn't try hard enough probably and we accept it that some people fail and others don't. It's good to say to someone to try hard if they want to achieve something, but if they don't succeed don't blame them (not you personally). 

3)''black pill is evil''. What is black pill? Is it people that want to harm others? If yes then am not ''blackpiller''. Is it people that understand that the best raw attraction is being very tall, then being good looking, and then being a little interesting? if yes then I am a ''blackpiller''. Why am I evil for knowing how things work? This is just hating (which proves that unnatractive people are easily hated, cause most people that have searched these stuff are people that are already unnatractive). Let's suppose I am wrong and looks aren't important. Why that makes me evil? People that believe I am evil for believing this stuff are hypocrites cause they are the real evil. They say that blackpillers are violent. Firstly there are way more violent groups than blackpillers and secondly I agree that many of them are too toxic, violent (and more pessimistic than they should) but this isn't the fault of all people that are labeled blackpillers. 

4)blackpill is unscientific. The truth is that most of the things that blackpill tells, are supported by scientific studies. For example there have been studies that show that in prosperous societies, people become taller cause women select taller men (it's not about the good nutrition that makes everyone taller). Most people deny this. It's funny but these beliefs sooner or later become mainstream , they just have to be presented by someone that is respectable in society. 

 

To be honest I don't consider myself to be blackpill cause it's a label. I just believe some of the stuff they believe cause of science and personal experience. Sorry for the negativity. In the future I will avoid talking about blackpill stuff. I did it cause it was the topic but I try not to think about these subjects too much cause they make me feel negative feelings and pessimism (it's still good to know the truths though). 

 

[aurum]

@Never_give_up got it, thanks for sharing.

[meta_male]

22 hours ago, aurum said:

Do you not see getting out of the shithole as its own reward?

Like, “hey, I’m not in this shithole anymore. That’s an improvement”.

Not yet to be honest. I want tangible results for grinding my ass off, not just merely a voice inside telling me: "Wow, look how far you've come!"

[Leo Gura]

4 hours ago, Butters said:

Now I understand why you don't want to release a black pill video.

I do want to. But it's dangerous if not done very carefully.

[Nemra]

45 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I do want to. But it's dangerous if not done very carefully.

@Leo Gura, will it be about general matters in life?

I am just guessing, but will it be about showing us that we live in a fantasy we do not understand and that we should abandon our desires and do what is needed and expected of us?

Edited June 7 by Nemra

[Raze]

This is a good interview with a former blackpiller who managed to get success on what lead him to those mindsets

Austen Summers also did a good video explaining issues with the blackpill 

This is a substack by a scientist that critiques blackpill beliefs with science

https://nuancepill.substack.com/t/black-pill-critique

@Leo Gura you can supplement a blackpill video with some info from these sources

Edited June 7 by Raze

[Leo Gura]

24 minutes ago, Nemra said:

will it be about general matters in life?

No. I mean a video to help blackpillers get laid.

[aurum]

2 hours ago, meta_male said:

Not yet to be honest. I want tangible results for grinding my ass off, not just merely a voice inside telling me: "Wow, look how far you've come!"

That makes sense. You want things to go well in the world, not just in your head.

[BlessedLion]

20 hours ago, aurum said:

If you take their stories at face value, some of them say they have never even experienced positive attention from a woman.

My gut reaction is to be skeptical of such stories, because that seems impossible.

But, if we are to understand blackpill, it's necessary to at least temporarily step outside your perspective and be charitable to them. Because whether or not their story is "true", it's still "true" for them.

Imagine you never received positive attention from a woman growing up. Not a genuine smile, not a hug, nothing. 

Are you really just "being a victim" at that point? 

Fair enough, I get it. I just think it’s really rare in life to justifiably call it quits and give up - and blackpill gives people an excuse, a community, to throw in the towel, label themselves the “undesirables”, and just watch porn and feel sorry for themselves. It’s too easy, and I think most people slip into this ideology when they have far more options. 
 

Plenty of people have gone from 0 to Hero (loser in high school, no girls) then make a name for themselves later in life and become very attractive. 
 

My point is, if they just went down the blackpill world when they were at 0 maybe they would have never tried and conquered. 
 

But yes it’s tough, and those are developmental years for sure. 
 

 

Side note - I agree about the intimacy, I feel I’ve also burned that for the most part and now see my sexual energy as a powerful engine that drives me forward to pursue other things. 

[BlessedLion]

 

16 hours ago, aurum said:

But my man, you've already had a life time of validation from women. 

Maybe it wouldn't send you spiraling now, because you're solid. But imagine you didn't have any of the foundation you have.

Even things like emotional resilience and EQ likely have a genetic component to them.

You could have had mental illness, or a mom that tried to kill you growing up.

Definitely. I agree as well. I have no idea what that experience is like. 
 

I guess my main point is like I said to @Miguel1 and also how @Emerald emphasized- the danger is taking on the ideology and thinking this is “just how it is” I feel like more and more men are falling into this ideology when in truth they have more options than they think, but taking on an ideology like this can guarantee you’ll stay stuck. 
 

But I can agree my perspective is biased. I don’t think it’s a healthy ideology though

[Miguel1]

2 minutes ago, BlessedLion said:

the danger is taking on the ideology and thinking this is “just how it is” I feel like more and more men are falling into this ideology when in truth they have more options than they think, but taking on an ideology like this can guarantee you’ll stay stuck. 

It's easy to fall into such an idealogy, when all your interactions with women all your life has been negative and more or less, brutally rejected.

You can try and keep shoving your hand on a hot stove and get burned, but at what point will you give up?

[gengar]

On 6/6/2025 at 10:20 AM, Leo Gura said:

Most blackpill guys have serious childhood trauma, abuse, broken families, missing parents, evil mothers, drug addict parents, poverty, depression, mental illness, chemical imbalance, low education, low IQ, low physical appearance, terrible social skills, profound introversion, autism, Aspergers, zero social experience, bad ideological indoctrination.

Yeah, you cannot imagine how bad it is. It's way worse than what you imagine. If you knew their childhoods and life experiences you would be horrified and their beliefs would make perfect sense to you.

These people live in hell and depression and dream of suicide or killing women. It's a sick, sinister, dark form of consciousness. You could almost call it satanic energy.

Blackpill is built on a painful toxic upbringing that creates seething anger and nihilistic apathy.

Normal social guys cannot understand such things. It's like another world. A dark bleak world of trauma and misery with no hope, no redemption. A black hole of self-hatred.

Your life has been too good, too loving to understand. No one hurt you enough, young enough. You had a decent family. You had good genetics. You had a social life.

This post really did something and hit me right in the heart

I repressed my situation for so long, making myself believe that I didn't have it that hard or wasn't traumatised so hard and that I should man up because others have it so much worse

But I basically dont believe i have a shot anymore at women for various reasons, mostly medical

This post did something to me because I am one of those fantasizing about suicide and hurting women, basically everyday

Been reading blackpill stuff since 18 in 2018, got off it at times but it always came back, especially after my medical issues started arising and i lost all hope

I guess it's obvious that I am bottom of the barrel if I read this post and what kind of people are like this

I've been repressing the pain and desperation with hate

I'm afraid to die alone

sometimes I am afraid that I would go through with hurting myself or others

Like I shared in a previous post, I even got involved in nazi ideology and jihadi ideology, like i literally thought about joining *SIS - suicidal thoughts got me thinking about hell and jihadi thought says, you can die in battle and go to heaven and have all the girls you ever wanted, but if you kill yourself you go to hell forever

And I just hate society and wanted to lash out

With love of Truth and epistemology i pulled myself out mentally and actually see the world for what it is now mostly, even though that's a lot more blackpilling than normie worldview or even radicalised worldview, can't blame anything anymore

Just nihilism

but the remnants of hate remain even though and I feel a satanic identity growing, powered by nihilism and rage

I'm pretty much at my wits end

sometimes I feel like going on an endless pelgrimage, not committing suicide but just giving up on life, not planning anything, and just walking

and die somewhere in nature, whether its in weeks, months, years or decades

Like Gautama Buddha did, just give up on everything, including life, but not Truth, in a sense it's such a liberating and even cosmically spiritual idea

Because life in this society doesn't feel liveable anymore

Or turn into a devil and wreak havoc on this world, I won't lie, I fantasize about it

I'm not sure who to talk to about this

The thought of life being a dream and nihlism is so weird, like could I really just kill myself and be done with it and have my next life be how i want it? or would i go to hell? suicide feels wrong, like you're running away from the challenge, but is that even a real objection? does God even care if you hold on through it all? is there a reward for that?

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The "funny" thing is, I was stuck in the mud from a young age, but fought and things got better, and my stats like height and looks are not even bad, just average, if not slightly above average, and got better over time, like i used to be really fat but im not now

and even though i went through a lot of shit , even mental health shit and addiction shit from 2019-2022 i kept fighting

and in the start of 2023 I felt better than ever, mentally and physically, and really felt like this is my time, blackpill wasn't on my mind at all

"I'm going to get money, develop myself, talk to a lot of girls and get better at it!"

And If it'd all happened that way I would have had major success by now probably, even though by compensating with money and fitness for my average looks, who cares

but in june 2023 I got hit with medical complications hitting my face, facial nerves, tongue, jaw, from a festering tooth infection, and now inflammation on one side of my face is just constant and I have semiconstant dysarthria (unable to talk normally at most times), salvia coming, cramps in the face, nerve system issues including panic (not panic attacks but more a lingering panic and confusion), and just constant pain and inflammation

I look like a fool and can't socialize and feel extremely ashamed

only drugs like cocaine fix it temporarily(nerve system stimulants) but i'm not gonna be on fucking cocaine, and it doesn't fix all the issues, like I was with a girl 1.5 years ago on cocaine and she was the first girl in years i had a chance with and i tried to kiss her and my fucking tongue just couldn't stick out properly

been to doctors who can't find anything, even though they don't really seem to care

Ever since been getting back into blackpill and how women just care about looks and if you're a strong socializer and networker, and just having very negative views about women and my looks and my personality

I don't even wanna die but it feels like I have nothing to live for atp except not dying for my family

Sometimes solipsism, which I basically know is true, makes this super hard to live for others even though I know solipsism doesn't work that way, from a human sense nothing changes

Looking back on it getting into those radical ideologies was just escaping from nihilism and solipsism because it felt like it was leading to my suicide, and religious thought gives you a reason to live even if you're in constant pain

I feel like just walking indefinitely and give up

Why are women so fucking beautiful man, their beauty hits like nothing else, like an angel of death

Sean Kingston wasn't lying

Somehow I am getting stronger one hand, quit weed and cigarettes for 5 months now and never looked back and working out regularly

but it also feels like i'm just letting go of the cope and just facing my suicide

IDK anymore man



 

Edited June 7 by gengar

[gengar]

On a side note, how is it even possible that above average guys still have relatively low success with women? if hypergamy is true all the women should be catered to the top but it seems like even that isn't true anymore. why do good looking women not even go for good looking guys anymore? is there a market failure, are good looking women also not getting laid? Guys that should be on the top girlswise also have problems.

I feel like it has to do with nothing being local anymore. every local area used to be its own arena. now with travel and apps it became an incredibly greedy market (especially because of womens increasingly high standards and mens decline in sociability and ability to shine online) - and a large portion of the market just failed and isn't getting laid anymore on both sides. That has to be the explanation, what else could it be?

[Leo Gura]

@gengar Sorry to hear of your situation, man. That's very tough. 

You would benefit greatly from seeing a quality therapist to work out all that trauma and anger.

If you have a way to afford it, please do it.

Edited June 7 by Leo Gura

[aurum]

1 hour ago, BlessedLion said:

I guess my main point is like I said to @Miguel1 and also how @Emerald emphasized- the danger is taking on the ideology and thinking this is “just how it is” I feel like more and more men are falling into this ideology when in truth they have more options than they think, but taking on an ideology like this can guarantee you’ll stay stuck. 

Yes there's also truth to that.

Edited June 7 by aurum