If you want to defeat Israel, promise Jews there’ll never be another Holocaust.

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, raiden said:

Part of the culture though is the story they tell themselves of who they are and where they come from. They’re the ones who make it relevant

Yes, that's culture.

Every culture has a myth about its own origins and greatness.

Edited May 28 by Leo Gura

[AION]

Jewish mysticism is insane. It is no coincidence that they dominate. 

Edited May 28 by AION

[raiden]

7 hours ago, Apparition of Jack said:

Yes, which was only accomplished after the Holocaust and Jews around the world were so desperate for their “own” piece of land that they’d be willing to set it up surrounded by impoverished Muslim countries. Zionism has existed since the mid-1800s, yet Israel was only declared in 1948. What happened between those times that could’ve impelled millions of Jews to rapidly settle in a small strip of land in the Middle East I wonder? 
 

Israel only exists because of the Holocaust. Had it never happened, it would’ve never been created. The whole thing exists so Jews can feel like they’re not at the mercy of Germans, or Russians, or Brits, or whoever else.

 

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, that's culture.

Every culture has a myth about its own origins and greatness.

I was referring to the OP’s stance and legitimacy of it, not a macro view of what culture is. Nor was I moralizing against Israel and oversimplifying the situation by citing an aspect of the conflict

[Alexop]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The key thing to understand is that it's not about fairness or morality, it's about power.

If you think the world works based on morality the world will never make sense to you and you will fail at predicting the future.

It's funny how much progressive people study power but they understand it even less than others.

 

[Hojo]

What about the native Americans? Promise them.

We literally teach children about Hitler so much its a main talking point for every single left winger.

Youre a facist we hate facists. We hate hitler. We hate hitler cause he killed jews, but we love palestine, and hate the jews.

How much gurantee can you get? NATO? Everyone talking about it? Everyone knowing about it so history dosent repeat itself? Even tho talking about it is keeping it alive? Who dosent know about WW2 and who says we need another one? Probably like 10 percent of all people on Earth.

We can promise to the Jews they will never be concentrated camped as much as Jews can guarantee the natives will never be concentration camped. So why dont they do that.

Edited May 28 by Hojo

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

I find this concept of generational trauma, or nation/ethnic wide trauma very sketchy. People just use it as an excuse to justify their bad behaviour. Yes, your ancestors suffered absolutely unimaginable horrors, but they're not you. You didn't have to suffer one bit, in fact you lived your whole life in a cushy comfort of a relatively well developed, established and secure country that you can actually call your own. And so did your parents. So, I don't think this is the way it works. But I could be wrong I guess. I just think it's BS

But also, let's not pretend like the states neighbouring Israel wanted it to even exist, I think therein lies the crux of the problem - I mean, Israel was immidiatelly attacked by everyone literaly upon it's creation. Muslim population in the middle east never wanted it to exist, as they've been settled in that area for well over 1000 years. And with the kind of mindset zionists bring to the table, it's just impossible for any kind of deescalation or peace to take place in there

[PurpleTree]

Hey i also have an Idea.

China should just promise to never take Taiwan nor bully or attack Japan.  Then the US could close its bases in the pacific.

Murderers should just promise to be good from now on. Then we could let them out of the jail and safe money.

Pedophiles should just promise to keep themselves under control. Problem solved.

Companies should just promise to not cheat and not sell unhealthy products or whatever. So then we can close down product testing etc and safe money.

 

You get the gist it’s a win win.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

I find this concept of generational trauma, or nation/ethnic wide trauma very sketchy.

It's a very real thing.

[Twentyfirst]

11 hours ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

I find this concept of generational trauma, or nation/ethnic wide trauma very sketchy. People just use it as an excuse to justify their bad behaviour. Yes, your ancestors suffered absolutely unimaginable horrors, but they're not you. You didn't have to suffer one bit, in fact you lived your whole life in a cushy comfort of a relatively well developed, established and secure country that you can actually call your own. And so did your parents. So, I don't think this is the way it works. But I could be wrong I guess. I just think it's BS

Nations repeat patterns over centuries. Notice how the USA started on genocide and is still doing genocide today. Where is the change? The present day Americans are shamed about what their great grandparents did in the past and in the future the Americans will be shamed about what their great grandparents did today

Black people want reparations in America not only for the past but what they accuse of present circumstances like BLM. Up to you to decide which is right or not

I don't believe in blaming 100% of all a societies problems on another society even if there was atrocities committed but you can definitely attribute a large percentage depending on the scope of injustice 

[Breakingthewall]

Half of the world's Jews live outside Israel and do not feel threatened at all.

[hundreth]

23 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Half of the world's Jews live outside Israel and do not feel threatened at all.

Good one. I'm not one who feels personally threatened but I can tell you from my interactions they are scared shitless.

[Breakingthewall]

18 minutes ago, hundreth said:

Good one. I'm not one who feels personally threatened but I can tell you from my interactions they are scared shitless.

Do you think that the jews in US are scared by the fact of being Jews?

[Apparition of Jack]

8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Do you think that the jews in US are scared by the fact of being Jews?

Maybe not all but a big number of them certainly feel nervous.

[hundreth]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Do you think that the jews in US are scared by the fact of being Jews?

I am in the US. They are terrified.

[PurpleTree]

It sucks.

This war in Israel that is supposed to keep Jews safe. Is probably kind of making them less safe in many places.

[Nivsch]

@NewKidOnTheBlock Parents subconsciously transfer their trauma to their kids, and this is even rational in the evolutionary sense. When the environment is dangerous, it is more efficient to have a non verbal mechanism that will deliver the information as directly as possible to your limbic system that your chance to survive will be maximized. This carries much more information and in much higher resolution than if you would start to tell the kids "be carefull there is a lion at XY coordinate".

Edited May 30 by Nivsch

[Ulax]

I think an issue with criticising Israel is just that, criticising Israel. 

Israel is just the name of a nation. It’s particular far right political parties within Israel that are responsible for their aggression imo. To my understanding, Netanyahu’s power lies a lot in maintain a coalition with some other far right political parties in Israel too. So it’s appropriate to criticise those actors not just Israel as a whole imo

Edited May 30 by Ulax

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, hundreth said:

I am in the US. They are terrified.

3 hours ago, hundreth said:

 

Exactly why? Because the rejection due this war of do you mean always 

[hundreth]

23 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Exactly why? Because the rejection due this war of do you mean always 

Very simple, because of an increase in violence towards Jews. 

[Karmadhi]

1 hour ago, hundreth said:

I am in the US. They are terrified.

If I was a jew in the USA I would partially blame Israel for it

They are giving Jews around the world a horrible name and reputation

Just like Hamas gives all Gazans a bad rep