Martin Ball says he's not solipsistic

[Salvijus]

5 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Salvijus, it's one screen.

The screen is an analogy for your experience.

It's one viewer, infinite screens. A screen is just one eye of God to observe itself. God has infinite eyes. 

Edited May 28 by Salvijus

[Schizophonia]

Does someone has news about Martin Ball's health ?

He suffered from very severe insomnia, even worse than the kind i got...

[Jowblob]

I have had experiences in human domain where i could hear people thoughts, so in a sense it looked like they had their own mind. But i didn't have any control of the experience of wanting to "read/hear their thoughts" it just happend on its own. So in a sense it's pointless to understand solipsism from human mind. I have also had beings visiting me not from this plane, that could do with me whatever they pleased because of their "extremely high consciousness" where they could manipulate matter.

[Breakingthewall]

Can any solipsist answer the question of how it is possible for the appearance of movement, of events, to exist when only I exist? I already know the answer: because I'm dreaming it.

Does no one understand the superficiality of the dream analogy? A dream implies an infinite number of processes external to your field of consciousness; a dream is reality, because the most important thing: you are not you. The you that seems to be a unit that believes it is the center is a multidimensional entity branching out into infinity, with infinite external ramifications.

You are like a donkey with blinders on, allowing you to see only what you should see. You are not the donkey; you are the blinders. Reality is infinitely broader and more impersonal than what you perceive.

[Nemra]

49 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

It's one viewer, infinite screens. A screen is just one eye of God to observe itself. God has infinite eyes. 

Again, I said screen was an analogy for your experience.

Imagine a screen that has an infinite length and width.

Or imagine a room where the walls, ceiling, and floor are one screen.

Edited May 28 by Nemra

[Loveeee]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Can any solipsist answer the question of how it is possible for the appearance of movement, of events, to exist when only I exist? I already know the answer: because I'm dreaming it.

Do you agree that now is durationless ? Of course 

Now try and imagine that, a dimensionless point "in time". You'll realize you can't, it can't have boundaries, that's eternity, a special case of infinity

Same goes with space 

But INFINITY itself, boundlessness itself, is God. 

That's what this is 

 

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

But INFINITY itself, boundlessness itself, is God.

Totally agree

8 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Do you agree that now is durationless ? Of course 

The now is in movement right? movement is time. Without movement there is not time, without time there is not existence. Existence=movement. Existence is the manifestation of the reality, not the reality itself. Reality is beyond the "happening"

 Then, time is made by movement and movement is made by "others". Infinite others. Without others would be stillness. There is stillness is the essence of everything, it's our nature, the void that is full of reality. But in our manifestation there is always movement, because without movement there is not manifestation, just because that, and movement=others

[Loveeee]

@Breakingthewall By definition a duration can't be present

 

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

@Breakingthewall By definition a duration can't be present

 

Time is just a measure for movement. Time=movement. Time itself is nothing. But movement is real, existence is movement. 

[Loveeee]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

Time is just a measure for movement. Time=movement. Time itself is nothing. But movement is real, existence is movement. 

Duration/Measure/Movement requires two states

But THIS one state, what is, now, is no movement, just an illusion, you're imagining past/present/future simultaneously and call it movement

[Breakingthewall]

27 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Duration/Measure/Movement requires two states

But THIS one state, what is, now, is no movement, just an illusion, you're imagining past/present/future simultaneously and call it movement

I'm perceiving movement right now, that's means perception: movement. If it's an illusion or not means nothing, it is

[Carl-Richard]

6 hours ago, Water by the River said:

Endless. No problem.

Space is imagined, and your thinking sounds like 3D-thinking and bubbles.

3D-space, and any space, and any dimension (and be it n-dimensional) is just imagined. Space is not real. Absolute Reality is dimensionless and contains/manifests/imagines endless dimensions.

Just add a 5h dimension to or 3D-world (and 4th dimension is time), and this 5th dimension is the endless amount of further perspectives being that are "forgotten" real-time. Et voila, you have endless beings/perspectives, but only one formless and infinite (and that is not not 3D-space or any space/dimension contained) fundamental Reality/Awareness.

Add one more dimension and you have endless universes. Cluster them, loop them, do all kind of funny things with them. Mathematics can easily do that with Euclidian or Non-Euclidian dimensions, and mathematics is contained by Reality, so Reality can do it.

Now mathematics can handle endless dimensions, and these can even be looped/contained/whatever funny non-euclidian dimensions are possible.

Indras Net is just a simplified model/version of the One Reality looking through an Infinity  of perspectives/beings/eyes.

https://www.actualized.org/forum/search/?&q=Indras Net&author=Water by the River

https://www.actualized.org/forum/search/?&q=leavitt&author=Water by the River

💯

Edited May 28 by Carl-Richard

[Carl-Richard]

8 hours ago, Salvijus said:

Excellent and revealing question.

❗️Short Answer:

No major mystic or spiritual tradition endorses solipsism.
In fact, nearly all mystical traditions explicitly reject it, even while affirming the unity of all things.

🧭 Why? Let’s break it down:

✅ Mysticism affirms unity, not isolation

Mystics across traditions commonly say:

"All is one."
Not: "Only I am."

The "One" is not the personal ego—it is universal consciousness, God, the Tao, the Absolute, or Brahman.

🧘‍♂️ Traditions That Emphasize Oneness (but not solipsism)

🕉️ Advaita Vedanta (Hinduism)

Says: The self (Atman) is Brahman (the Absolute).

But: The realization is not "I (ego) am all," but that the sense of separate selves dissolves into non-dual awareness.

Key Point: Others are not illusions in your mind—they are Brahman too.

☸️ Buddhism

Emphasizes no-self (anatta) and interdependence (pratītya-samutpāda).

The self is not ultimately real, but neither is the claim that “only my mind exists.”

Enlightenment includes compassion for other beings—impossible under solipsism.

✡️ Kabbalah (Jewish Mysticism)

All beings are emanations of the Divine (Ein Sof), distinct but interconnected.

The mystical goal is unity with the Source, not denial of others' reality.

✝️ Christian Mysticism

God dwells in all things; the self is nothing without God.

Love of others is central—otherness is real, even in mystical union.

☯️ Taoism

The Tao flows through all things; differentiation is functional but rooted in unity.

No sense that “only I exist”—rather, everything is part of a dynamic whole.

🌍 Sufism (Islamic Mysticism)

The aim is fana (dissolution of the ego) into al-Haqq (the Real).

All selves are rays of God, not projections of one person’s dream.

❌ Why solipsism is excluded

It centers the ego, even if unconsciously.

It denies love, compassion, and service—which all mystic traditions affirm.

It collapses spiritual practice into self-referential fantasy.

It confuses metaphysical unity with psychological isolation.

🧠 So why do some modern seekers accidentally fall into solipsism?

Nonduality and self-inquiry can be misinterpreted as:

“If I’m the Self, then only I am real.”

But that’s the ego hijacking the insight.

True nonduality says:

“I am not this ego—and neither is anyone else. We are all That.”

✅ Final Insight:

Mysticism dissolves the ego—not the world.
Solipsism inflates the ego and denies others.
Therefore, no genuine mystic tradition is solipsistic—and if one were, it would contradict the very heart of spiritual realization.

Would you like to explore where people most often misinterpret mysticism as solipsism, especially in modern nonduality circles?

ChatGPT is actually pretty based.

Edited May 28 by Carl-Richard

[Natasha Tori Maru]

8 hours ago, Water by the River said:

Endless. No problem.

Space is imagined, and your thinking sounds like 3D-thinking and bubbles.

3D-space, and any space, and any dimension (and be it n-dimensional) is just imagined. Space is not real. Absolute Reality is dimensionless and contains/manifests/imagines endless dimensions.

Just add a 5h dimension to or 3D-world (and 4th dimension is time), and this 5th dimension is the endless amount of further perspectives being that are "forgotten" real-time. Et voila, you have endless beings/perspectives, but only one formless and infinite (and that is not not 3D-space or any space/dimension contained) fundamental Reality/Awareness.

Add one more dimension and you have endless universes. Cluster them, loop them, do all kind of funny things with them. Mathematics can easily do that with Euclidian or Non-Euclidian dimensions, and mathematics is contained by Reality, so Reality can do it.

Now mathematics can handle endless dimensions, and these can even be looped/contained/whatever funny non-euclidian dimensions are possible.

Indras Net is just a simplified model/version of the One Reality looking through an Infinity  of perspectives/beings/eyes.

https://www.actualized.org/forum/search/?&q=Indras Net&author=Water by the River

https://www.actualized.org/forum/search/?&q=leavitt&author=Water by the River

 

 

 

Absolutely killed it, this is my understanding. The mathematics behind it are what speak to me and mirror my experience & understanding.

[gengar]

16 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The chemical is not important. That's just an example.

Dude, there is way more to this work than realizing any one thing.

Just because you can take a chemical and realize something doesn't mean you are anywhere at Ralston's level.

This is like saying there's nothing special about Shaquille O'Neil because one time you got on a ladder and dunked a basketball.

I never insinuated I was anywhere on his level. I just meant that it's possible to arrive at solipsism through sober contemplation without being a genetic freak, which you seemed to imply was needed.

[Loveeee]

10 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

I'm perceiving movement right now, that's means perception: movement. If it's an illusion or not means nothing, it is

Do you believe in matter ? 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Loveeee said:

Do you believe in matter ? 

Matter is made by energy and energy is made by relationship between fields. What is relationship between fields? 

Or maybe you don't believe in science and you prefer simplify everything like: it's a dream. What is a dream? 

[BlueOak]

@Leo Gura
When the mind dies and collapses into consciousness, do you believe consciousness disappears also? 

Edited May 29 by BlueOak

[Harikrishnan]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Matter is made by energy and energy is made by relationship between fields. What is relationship between fields? 

Or maybe you don't believe in science and you prefer simplify everything like: it's a dream. What is a dream? 

There is no fields. Only field. You can comeback with imposing limit.

Am really in love with reality, God is awesome. 
 

[Breakingthewall]

30 minutes ago, Harikrishnan said:

There is no fields. Only field. You can comeback with imposing limit.

Am really in love with reality, God is awesome. 
 

I'd say that with that field you mean conciousness and this is a simplification that comes from current spirituality, which is a religion that seduces with its simplicity disguised as depth

Edited May 29 by Breakingthewall