Martin Ball says he's not solipsistic

[Nemra]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You said that only you can be conscious because people in your experience are just experience, but in infinity there is no center. Then the experienced experiences 

For you, what does it mean to be conscious of an experience?

[Breakingthewall]

15 minutes ago, Nemra said:

For you, what does it mean to be conscious of an experience?

Concious is the experience. Are sinonimous 

The fact of an experience means conciousness, but this experience can unfold infinitely 

Edited Friday at 10:10 PM by Breakingthewall

[Nemra]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Concious is the experience. Are sinonimous 

If you say that you are conscious that others are also experiencing, then would you say that you should also experience what they are experiencing?

If so, then why aren't you experiencing people's experiences?

[Dazgwny]

I genuinely can’t wait till the day you lot, or even just one or two of you seriously awaken. When solipsism hits you, and there’s just no way around it. Prime suspects for a simultaneous insanity awakening too. You guys are properly going to die to this and when yous do, yous will just see me there kicking back and laughing😂. But just not in the way yous think. I’ll literally be kicking back laughing at yous… as you, that’s what’s so funny. Already done it, already seen yous there. No way around it. I can chat to you here like this, but I’ll truly connect to yous in your state of solipsism, state of god. Just give me a wave 👋🏻. Just a wave, and crack on with your lives. That’s all I ask for, a wave, that’s our sign guys, just don’t forget it. Don’t forget when you wave what you’re waving at. You will, but Nevermind 👋🏻

Edited Friday at 10:22 PM by Dazgwny

[Breakingthewall]

5 minutes ago, Nemra said:

If you say that you are conscious that others are also experiencing, then would you say that you should also experience what they are experiencing?

If so, then why aren't you experiencing people's experiences?

No, I as a form am this dimension of experience. This dimension contains infinite other dimensions and it's contained in infinite other dimensions. That's what infinite means

[Nemra]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

No, I as a form am this dimension of experience. This dimension contains infinite other dimensions and it's contained in infinite other dimensions. That's what infinite means

All you got is your experience.

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Nemra said:

All you got is your experience.

Then reality is what you got? You are a a form, then limited. If you are limited, then there are things outside you. Then "you" are the ego. Then solipsism is believing that the ego is god. 

[Nemra]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then reality is what you got? You are a form, then limited. If you are limited, then there are things outside you. Then "you" are the ego. Then solipsism is believing that the ego is god. 

When you don't experience something currently, do you say that it exists?

If so, then you are confusing your memory of the experience with the actual experience of that thing.

Which is happening right now, your experience or your memory of your experience?

Your memory itself is in your experience, but what it refers to is not in your experience.

Although, I'm not saying that memories don't refer to things that are true.

[r0ckyreed]

On 5/29/2025 at 1:17 PM, Carl-Richard said:

Don't make the mistake of quoting something Leo has said in the past 😛:

He said it literally this week. That quote was from 2019. Mine was from this week. I just wanted to clarify.

@everyone Nobody has addressed the points I brought up. If millions of dollars can exist in a treasure chest, then there is some contradiction because that implies an external world. How can you claim there is something that exists inside the chest when you aren’t observing it?

Edited Friday at 11:31 PM by r0ckyreed

[Breakingthewall]

24 minutes ago, Nemra said:

When you don't experience something currently, do you say that it exists?

If so, then you are confusing your memory of the experience with the actual experience of that thing.

Which is happening right now, your experience or your memory of your experience?

Your memory itself is in your experience, but what it refers to is not in your experience.

Although, I'm not saying that memories don't refer to things that are true.

 You only can open yourself to your true nature, then you understand that there are no limits, so everything that could be is, then infinite dimensions are right now, that's why you are having an experience, or better, you are that experience, but what you are beyond this experience is the limitless, the limitless gives birth to infinite dimensions and this is impossible to grasp . You are a dimension, and your true nature is the limitless. It's not a linear idea, can't be grasped by the mind because "the limitless" is not something 

[Nemra]

@Breakingthewall, let's not make this complicated.

Please, prove that I'm actually experiencing stuff.

What you would eventually understand is that you cannot prove it, because it would require you to directly experience what I experience, which means you should become me.

But if you become me, then the proof will remain unproven, because all you would experience is my experience and not others'.

Well, why should you experience it in order to be able to prove it?

Because you only understand what experience is by experiencing stuff.

Edited yesterday at 12:21 AM by Nemra

[aurum]

13 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Breakingthewall, let's not make this complicated.

Please, prove that I'm actually experiencing stuff.

What you would eventually understand is that you cannot prove it, because it would require you to directly experience what I experience, which means you should become me.

But if you become me, then the proof will remain unproven, because all you would experience is my experience and not others'.

Well, why should you experience it in order to be able to prove it?

Because you only understand what experience is by experiencing stuff.

Good explanation.

[Carl-Richard]

Hey solipsists, if you're there and I'm not just imagining you:

I will extend an olive branch and say I've actually had the "solipsism experience" that so many are talking about where it feels like you are all alone and when you look at other people, they do feel actually quite "hollow". But first thing to realize is that while I deconstructed "other people", I also deconstructed myself.

Myself was just as unreal as others. Other people seemed hollow because they're outside of me and they're readily apparent that way (and maybe also because I was struck by the realization for the first time and it filled my attention), but in retrospect, I felt just as hollow inside (an experience I was already familiar with). It was balanced, inside and outside.

Also, what I realized is that just because I can have this experience, that doesn't mean I have deconstructed the illusion "for them", for exactly the same reason that I had not done so before my experience. Before my experience, I didn't feel alone, people didn't feel hollow, I didn't feel hollow. I was stuck in an illusion of thinking I was real and other people were real. Similarly, other people can be stuck in that illusion despite "me" experiencing the opposite.

Edited yesterday at 07:03 AM by Carl-Richard

[zurew]

Hey solipsists,  I would have never fucking imagined  in my life, that dream characters will try to argue that they don't actually have a conscious experience, only my dream character does.

Now that I realized that fact, enjoy your unconscious experience !

Edited yesterday at 06:43 AM by zurew

[Carl-Richard]

25 minutes ago, zurew said:

Hey solipsists,  I would have never fucking imagined  in my life, that dream characters will try to argue that they don't actually have a conscious experience, only my dream character does.

Now that I realized that fact, enjoy your unconscious experience !

That's actually a brilliant point. Wouldn't at least some dream characters be like ChatGPT saying "I'm just a large language model coded to emulate human interactions and responses; I do not have private emotions, feelings or experiences"? 😂

[Harikrishnan]

Hey solipsist. I am crying 🥲 

[zurew]

8 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

That's actually a brilliant point. Wouldn't at least some dream characters be like ChatGPT saying "I'm just a large language model coded to emulate human interactions and responses; I do not have private emotions, feelings or experiences"? 😂

Actually these p-zombies havent realized this yet, but there is an awakening beyond Solipsism, where you can realize that you are just a dream character in ChatGPT's dream. 

Edited yesterday at 07:18 AM by zurew

[UnbornTao]

We take ourselves for granted and often attach negative associations to these kinds of belief systems. In our minds the idea of being existentially alone is unbearable and depressing. Yet we likely misunderstand such matters on a deep level. Beyond speculative efforts, we are likely ignorant of what the self (and the other) is. Grasping the nature of these should be the aim here. Once that is clear for you, there's no longer any need to play with beliefs, because you've directly realized whatever is true regarding the matter.

Here’s a new possibility:

Quote

Questioner: "How should we treat others?"

Maharshi: "There are no others."

Even though, for you and me, it's currently just a cute little saying, it might help open our minds to some real contemplation.

Edited yesterday at 11:55 AM by UnbornTao

[zurew]

How should we treat others? 

There is no you, who could treat others.

Nahm has entered the chat.

Edited yesterday at 10:34 AM by zurew

[Salvijus]

Questioner: How should you treat others? 

Ramana: there are no others, there is only yourself. 

Implication: everything is part of the same One Sentient Self. 

Conclusion: solipsism is bs. 

Edited yesterday at 10:43 AM by Salvijus