We need to talk about the 30+ million deaths from COVID.

[Apparition of Jack]

By some metrics, this was the 7th deadliest events in human history, and yet we’ve barely heard a peep from anyone about it.

I feel like I’m going insane. We all just went through a mass mortality crisis barely a few years ago and we all just pretend it didn’t happen? 
 

Every time there’s an earthquake or tsunami the whole gets off the arse to help and to grieve, so why not with COVID?? Huh?? What’s going on??

 

We can’t keep walking around with this level of cope and trauma forever. We need to fucking deal with this. Otherwise we’ll just keep walking around in a self-destructive haze from now until forever.

[Leo Gura]

BuT tHE vAcCINEs kIlLeD MoAR!

[D2sage]

In this covid event:

15.9 million people died in just the first two years from COVID-related causes, both direct infections and system failures. That’s more than World War I and the 2004 Indian tsunami, combined.

 

I am grateful I'm immune to covid. 🙏 

Passed my vaccine to someone who need it more, cant be selfish here. 🙏 

[BlueOak]

It would require addressing things like:
 

• 1, The breakdown of international relations between the current world powers of the time. Probably the most significant factor to influence all world problems.
• 2, Either quarantine measures in China or the food safety of its markets, depending on which perspective you believe.
• 3, Authoritarian governments' inability to speak about things that challenge their authority publicly, and I am speaking from America, Europe, Asia everywhere the world over because almost every government is unbalanced towards right-wing authoritarianism.
• 3a, The poor reaction time of many countries in addressing an outbreak with a lockdown because of short-term economic concerns being placed higher than health concerns; this is true in most countries.
• 3b, China's government's inability to admit the extent of the virus or the outbreak initially. This is implied by point 3 but needs further highlighting. I blame them in part for the death of my uncle as a result.
• 4, The breakdown of the world's biosphere leads to fewer cures and more virus outbreaks as a natural result.
• 4a, Addressing environmental concerns over economic concerns. Touched on below.
• 5, The overpopulation of the world, which removes natural barriers to infection by clustering populations closer together or making them more interconnected. Nobody likes population control terms, but if we don't do it, nature does it. 
• 5a, Engineering an economy to where population levels are not key to success.
• 6, Conversely, the alleged overly severe measures taken by certain governments effectively condemning millions to death.

That's a start off the top of my head. 

Edited May 24 by BlueOak

[PurpleTree]

I don’t think i know anyone who died from it.

[Apparition of Jack]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

I don’t think i know anyone who died from it.

Statistically, you’re unlikely to do so (I myself don’t know anyone who died from it too), but they’re still out there, not to mention countless more people dealing with things like long covid.

Also, even if your family was OK it still affected everyone, just through things like lockdowns, no overseas travel, masking, etc. Everyone responded to it differently, some people may have even enjoyed the change of pace, but it’s hard to deny that on a collective level it was a massive shock to our systems.

[PurpleTree]

4 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

Statistically, you’re unlikely to do so (I myself don’t know anyone who died from it too), but they’re still out there, not to mention countless more people dealing with things like long covid.

Also, even if your family was OK it still affected everyone, just through things like lockdowns, no overseas travel, masking, etc. Everyone responded to it differently, some people may have even enjoyed the change of pace, but it’s hard to deny that on a collective level it was a massive shock to our systems.

My mother had an epileptic seizure probably from the vaccine. She usually has it under control with meds but the vaccine caused a fever which probably caused the seizure.

[PurpleTree]

3 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

My mother had an epileptic seizure probably from the vaccine. She usually has it under control with meds but the vaccine caused a fever which probably caused the seizure.

And when afterwards she tried to research the side effects of the vaccine it was hard to find because it was suppressed by search engines like google.

Also now a few years after covid it looks like it was most likely a lab leak by reputable sources. Which in the beginning people were laughed at and tinfoiled for saying.

[Hayato]

May be for the same reason people don't talk / or do anything about the people that die each ear from:

 

- smoking - 8 million

- hunger - 9 million

- cardiovascular disease - 17.9 million

- alcohol - 3.3 million

- cancer - 10 million people

A lot of people have a limited attention span and if it is not on the news, or affecting them directly it doesn't exist.

The exact number of those that died from Covid as opposed to those who died with Covid is questionable.

Covid was a virus that was created in a lab and then released. There were no consequences for those responsible.

This could happen again with a deadlier virus and this is what worries me.

Watch the bird flu.

 

 

 

[MarkKol]

What can we possibility do about all those dead people?

Grieving about 30 million dead strangers is borderline impossible, not useful at all and overly sentimental.

The Palestine issue is a much bigger one, those people are alive and suffering. So if you’re gonna spray paint graffiti on a government building about dying people, let it be that.

[BlueOak]

1 hour ago, Hayato said:

May be for the same reason people don't talk / or do anything about the people that die each ear from:

 

- smoking - 8 million

- hunger - 9 million

- cardiovascular disease - 17.9 million

- alcohol - 3.3 million

- cancer - 10 million people

A lot of people have a limited attention span and if it is not on the news, or affecting them directly it doesn't exist.

The exact number of those that died from Covid as opposed to those who died with Covid is questionable.

Covid was a virus that was created in a lab and then released. There were no consequences for those responsible.

This could happen again with a deadlier virus and this is what worries me.

Watch the bird flu.

 

I understand your point but this isn't directly comparable.

People do address smoking, hunger, heart disease, cancer, there is wide recognition of the dangers, education on the subject, psychological or counseling help, and often funded social programs to help.
There is less social awareness of the reoccurrences of covid and its impacts on health, but of greater importance, I am not sure we have learned many lessons required for the next large-scale outbreak. You talk about bird flu as one of many candidates.

*I also think those directly responsible either died from infection or the serious repercussions of doing that under the Chinese government. My only grievance was they never warned the world.

4 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

I don’t think i know anyone who died from it.

My uncle did, but outside of accidents, people rarely die of one thing; it's many contributing factors. And you could make the case the same was true for him.

Edited Saturday at 01:42 PM by BlueOak

[Kid A]

15 minutes ago, MarkKol said:

What can we possibility do about all those dead people?

Grieving about 30 million dead strangers is borderline impossible, not useful at all and overly sentimental.

The Palestine issue is a much bigger one, those people are alive and suffering. So if you’re gonna spray paint graffiti on a government building about dying people, let it be that.

You're on to something here. There's simply too many other terrible things going on in the world at the moment.
The 2020’s are a pretty grim decade.

[Recursoinominado]

My guess is that it is too abstract for most people to get it, only health professionals who were in hospitals during the pandemic know how horrible it was. When something like an earthquake or a tsunami happens, you SEE the destruction, hundreds or thousands of videos will flood the internet showing the event happening. But COVID kills silently, people are hidden in ICU's, dying slowly. Even most of their families didn't get to SEE them dying, gasping desperately for air. 

Most of the time, it is just numbers showing on a screen, right next to some idiot trying to convince you that it didn't happen and it is all just a hoax. 

[Lyubov]

People were hunkered down at home and saw much of the suffering through a tv screen, but were also switching over to Netflix and all the stuff we gorged on during the pandemic. It’s much less frightening than a bomb going off. A lot of people who died were elderly and overweight people. So there isn’t as much pressure for people to remember, also the war in Ukraine started right at the end of Covid which took over the news. War is remembered more. 

[Frylock]

2 hours ago, Lyubov said:

War is remembered more. 

This is true. A raging pandemic went on during WW1 and killed way more than the war itself, yet it was barely talked about.

Medical science and diseases are something that most people don't really understand, it's an invisible bogeyman. But people beating each other with sticks (or guns or bombs) is more eye catching and easily understood.

Make no mistake though, we do feel the societal reverberations from Covid. A lot has changed since 2020. It rapidly changed culture and behavioral norms to where "pre-pandemic" feels like a different era.

[Hojo]

@PurpleTreeThere was an old folks home in the town I live in it wiped out 8 people in one night. There were like 5 new houses for sale in the town over night.

Edited Sunday at 02:56 AM by Hojo