Germany Mass Stabbing

[kray]

It’s shit like this that helps feed the far right. Yeah we can argue that the rise of radical Islamist terrorism is directly related neo liberal policies in the Middle East, but Muslim activists should immediately tell the world that they CONDEMN this attack. If the first thing that comes out of their mouth is “free Palestine”, you basically gave a golden ticket to racist, far right parties in the west that capitalize on the fears that citizens may have. This is the time to fight Islamophobia with compassion and sympathy for the victims, not radical activism. Btw not anti free Palestine, just someone who looks at the world practically and yearn to find practical solutions for the now.

Edited May 24 by Leo Gura

[Vynce]

How can a woman seriously injure 12 people with just a knife. Stabbing one or two people into life threatening condition seems hard, but 12?

Edited May 23 by Vynce

[PurpleTree]

Germany seems like between a rock and a hard surface or something.

A lot of German guilt for holocaust etc.

But also a lot of Muslim immigrants.

[Raze]

Where does it say she was a Muslim doing it for Palestine? I only see articles saying she’s a German national and didn’t have a political motive. 

Edited May 23 by Raze

[gengar]

1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

A lot of German guilt for holocaust etc.

Their guilt makes them insufferable, weak, lib n soy.

[gengar]

Europe's toxic, chaotic mix of worldviews, including an unstable concoction of premodern, modern and postmodern, collapsed any sense of shared culture and identity. Liberalism is falling, with only the most educated, privileged and decadent staying on it's pure form.

Young people are either hard leftist, hard rightist, or have an incoherent, apathic form of late-stage liberalism infect with major amounts of conspiracy thinking.

We deserve to fall.

[Hojo]

@Vynce God did it.

[Nivsch]

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

We know that Israel's behavior in Gaza will cause terrorism across the world for generations.

American and European civilians will pay the price for Israel's cruelty.

Did 9/11 happen because of Israel? Were the terror attacks in Madrid (2004) and London (2005) caused by Israel? Or the wave of ISIS attacks across Europe in the last decade?

Its fair to claim that the war in Gaza radicalizes muslims in Europe, but I don't think it is the root cause at all.

Because radical Islamic terrorism targets western society at large out of deep value systems clash.

Also the west in general tries all the time to manipulate the Middle East rather than more genuinely negotiate with and build bridges.

These are things that easily, and maybe understandably, get overlooked in the heat of the current conflict. 

Edited May 24 by Nivsch

[Leo Gura]

23 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Did 9/11 happen because of Israel?

Yes.

Read Bin Laden's reasoning for his work.

Edited May 24 by Leo Gura

[Nivsch]

31 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes.

Read Bin Laden's reasoning for his work.

He mentioned there many more reasons that are not connected to Israel but to the West in general.

About Israel, how can I know the bad things he blame Israel in (Ok we can agree on bad policies towards Palestinians during the decades) aren't mostly an excuse for him to calmly negate Israel existance?

Because HE wrote that in his own words (quotes from the letter):

"The creation and continuation of Israel is one of the greatest crimes"

"The creation of Israel is a crime which must be erased"

"The people of Palestine are pure Arabs and original Semites. It is the Muslims who are the inheritors of Moses (peace be upon him) and the inheritors of the real Torah that has not been changed"

How is this different than the Far Right Israelis who say that this land belongs only to Jews? Just the same, only reversed.

How is Bin Laden here different in his retoric and his thinking structure than Israelis Far Right like Smotrich or Ben Gvir? And then how it affects his other details and the extreme one sided way he describe the whole conflict?

 

Edited May 24 by Nivsch

[Leo Gura]

@Nivsch Well, I'm not saying his reasoning is justified. Bin Landen was a delusional ideological zealot. The land could be shared.

But you can't really deny that Israel's treatment of Palestinians causes legit outrage amongst Muslims and Arabs.

Edited May 24 by Leo Gura

[eliasvelez]

@kray ⚠️ why are you spreading misinformation? It was not a terrorist attack and had to do nothing with religion! It was a german woman who was very likely psychically ill and was in treatement

Edited May 24 by eliasvelez

[Twentyfirst]

@kray When do Europeans ever condemn the radical aggressive policies of their elected government? Why do Muslims have to condemn the crazy unelected radicals of underground groups? 

Europeans should just keep re electing war criminals and pedos since that's what they do best. Maybe if your leaders kill enough people you guys will put golden statues of them in the town plaza with standing ovations 

These attacks are not coming from muslim governments, corporations, think tanks, academia, or financial institutions. Why should 2 billion muslims apologize for this. Western aggression comes from western institutions that actually represent the west. So you are right there needs to be condemnation every time there is an attack but you are projecting outwards who needs to be the one to do it

Shitty thing to happen though

Edited May 24 by Twentyfirst

[Twentyfirst]

@kray Btw all I am really saying is what didn't work before won't work now. Muslims condemned 9/11 but here we all are repeating the same patterns

[Alexop]

16 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Germany seems like between a rock and a hard surface or something.

A lot of German guilt for holocaust etc.

But also a lot of Muslim immigrants.

We have mostly extreme lack of empathy and too much empathy. 

On the one hand the lack of empathy towards Palestine and other third world cultures feeds terrorism/refugees/hate

On the other hand too much empathy of some European countries also feed into far right by receiving too many refugees and not being able to take care of all of them. 

Tier one groups are like a wrecking ball, they just swinging from one extreme to another wrecking everything around.

Edited May 24 by Alexop

[Nivsch]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Nivsch Well, I'm not saying his reasoning is justified. Bin Landen was a delusional ideological zealot. The land could be shared.

But you can't really deny that Israel's treatment of Palestinians causes legit outrage amongst Muslims and Arabs.

I agree that what Israel does understandably raises strong emotions among Muslims in Europe who want to express what is in their hearts.
But I think that when a terrorist carries out an attack in Europe, he sees Europe, the West in general, and Israel as representing the same thing. Not aiming his message to Israel alone. Otherwise, I think, only Israeli embassies or Jews would be the targets.

Edited May 24 by Nivsch

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

17 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Germany seems like between a rock and a hard surface or something.

A lot of German guilt for holocaust etc.

But also a lot of Muslim immigrants.

It's actually crazy to think about how just about 85 years prior, germans were this highly militarized, highly motivated and unstopable force of nature just tearing throught Europe, not being that far from defeating Russia and it took entire world uniting against them to put them down. Nowadays, they barely even have a professional army. LOL

[Jodistrict]

Why are citizens who oppose mass immigration into their country automatically labeled as far right by the mainstream media?  Does everyone buy into this propaganda?  

[Cireeric]

34 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

Why are citizens who oppose mass immigration into their country automatically labeled as far right by the mainstream media?  Does everyone buy into this propaganda?  

Do you live in Germany? Problem is that the party that people usually vote if they are "against mass immigration" is the AFD, which is definitely the party running the biggest propaganda-machine in Germany.

[PurpleTree]

16 minutes ago, Cireeric said:

Do you live in Germany? Problem is that the party that people usually vote if they are "against mass immigration" is the AFD, which is definitely the party running the biggest propaganda-machine in Germany.

Yea but a problem is also that mainstream parties leave an important topic like immigration to the far right without really addressing it.