New Video: 8 Unique & Original Proofs Of God

[aurum]

The clarity on this one was truly profound.

Logic is far deeper than I ever realized. 

[Rishabh R]

@OBEler Yeah there are different versions of Leo. Some versions more good than other , some more direct, some indirect.

[Letho]

2 hours ago, shree said:

I heard he recently became the Christian Pope. That’s how deep the corruption runs. Now he’s harvesting likes and blind faith straight from the Vatican!

He just hides behind whatever he can hide behind. That's the one rule. He was obviously taught manipulation from a young age, genetically and or environmentally, and I mean that seriously, its not an insult, I don't insult people for the hell of it if I can avoid it, its ingrained too far in his subconscious now. He pretends to attack things head on, at best, when he knows he can manipulate or obfuscate, so he doesn't have to attack things head on. He comes from environmental circumstances in which manipulation is rewarded, so he gets a dopamine rush when he is successful at bullshitting, that's just the truth, and his track record reveals it as such.

Apart from being too tired from hiking all day, I can't even be bothered fixing the grammar more than I have in the prv post, I've made the decision to be done with the regular area of the forum, including journaling. I always gave him the benefit of the doubt even though I always knew there was just so much manipulation baked into his delivery of ideas. I thought it was leading to something good, no, its just a part of leaning into appearances while capitalizing on those gains without repute. It's insulting to genuine intelligence, and the thing is, he enjoys that act.

Life has consequences Leo, and that's the big mistake you've failed to fully 'actualize', and not just physically with respect to your psychedelic overstretch, psychologically as well for the stretch of the spiritual community you've impacted. Lack of integrity in porn is expected, as per your lack of insight into its negative impact on men, everything has consequences, and it stretches to the negative or the positive concerning spiritual development, however lack of integrity is and should always be frowned upon in areas of not only spiritual development, but pretending to be a spiritual teacher, of which this place is so far behind in terms of positioning itself there its beyond absurd. The push back will come Leo, as that's the bad karma that results, and you're not going to be prepared for it.

That's the beauty of God hey.

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Anyhow back on track to my holiday, even though this doesn't spoil it at all, in fact it makes it better, as now I know I'm moving on. We made it down the mountain alright, naturally a lot faster than hiking up, tomorrow we've got a bloody five hour journey up a mountain to sleep well on before the challenge, and on top of that, I've made a bet with my mate on who's going to clunk out of running up first before we resort to walking a bit of it heh!

 

 

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[shree]

Letho, I’d choose you as the new Pope over Leo Gura any day.

[Brivido]

@Leo Gura I've been following you since the beginning, and I have to say this one is, in my opinion, one of your best videos so far. While listening I had intense flashbacks of parts of my trips that I wasn't even able to remember for how deep they were and that your words brought back to the surface of my consciousness. This video lowkey made me trip. Your work is astounding.

[Leo Gura]

@Letho Banned.

Do not think that I am going to entertain your absurd gaslighting.

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[The Crocodile]

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Letho Banned.

Do not think that I am going to entertain your absurd gaslighting.

That's like using lethal force.

[shree]

26 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Letho Banned.

Do not think that I am going to entertain your absurd gaslighting.

As I already pointed out in a PM a month ago.

[Thought Art]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Thought Art It won't bake you a chicken, if that's what you were hoping for.

Good episode One of your best in its clean delivery. I think it brought together and solidified a lot of things in my mind from past experiences/ awakenings ideas I’ve had for years and questions I’ve had. 
 

It’s pretty amazing. Kinda strange loopy. 
 

Now, I can cook bbbbb

Thanks Leo.

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[Thought Art]

One of my questions and critiques is when you say things like “If you went to bed and woke up on a new planet everyday you would think you lost your mind”…. But. That is begging the question. This takes for granted what is normal, or how memory works. The idea that reality would be in any such way just seems to question beg for these example. 
 

Also, later in the video you say the mind is a void. But, you have a human mind which is a particular construct. It’s not really a true void, and human thought is not exactly true creation as it is at the level of God. 
 

Minor points I know. This just stuck out to me on first listen. 

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[Leo Gura]

16 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

One of my questions and critiques is when you say things like “If you went to bed and woke up on a new planet everyday you would think you lost your mind”…. But. That is begging the question. This takes for granted what is normal, or how memory works. 

The human mind needs consistency to feel sane. This is not an a priori argument but an empirical one. We know from clinical psychology how dyfunctional people get when their sense of reality is inconsistent.

16 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

Also, later in the video you say the mind is a void. But, you have a human mind which is a particular construct. It’s not really a true void,

What is Mind? What is it ontologically?

It is void. A void in which distinctions arise.

Just because the human mind is filled with ideas does not at all change the fact that your mind is a void. A bucket is still a bucket even if you fill it with stuff.

16 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

and human thought is not exactly true creation as it is at the level of God. 

How is it not true creation?

Human minds create new things all the time.

[Thought Art]

@Leo Gura 1. Your first point is embedded in a physical human existence paradigm with others, and sane existence and physical consequences if you were human. But, if you were actually waking up on a new planet everyday good luck putting that person in a psych ward. The example just has question begging that reality would be some other way. Seeing as human existence requires surviving in this social matrix and has physical consequences as to how the mind is use… if you were hallucinating being on a new planet, or dealing with cognitive decline or schizophrenia… that’s a very different thing.

Could a consciousness exist that does not require sanety to feel sane? Likely. There could be a dream dreamt by the mind of God which is comparetively wild and chaotic which is fine and good. Human existence is likely just one way of existing.  For example if reality was just a DMT trip for eternity. 
 

Universal mind being able to imagine whatever it wants must mean, that this present moment is all that exists and all “past leading up to” is artificially constructed right now. This means, sanity is a conceptual overlay anyway. I have no proof of an actual past at the level of infinite mind. So, all this to me leads tjr a question begging, and history-less ness. The idea that I need sanity is also question begging. Given, the true nature being an infinite mind. It’s likely an aspect of human existence and not really that important. 

 

2. The mind may have void like qualities but you are also a human. It’s not a true void because you have a human mind which has a particular shape. The consciousness we have is held within a human mind/body unity. 
 

Now, sure, maybe meta truth is that the void is imaging the human senses. So, that would mean what you are saying is true. But, also you are constrained generally, to human restrictions. Which, means you don’t generally have access to a full void. 
 

My mind has some degree of creativity but it’s a slither compared to creating a spoon out of thin air or an entire universe. 

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[Thought Art]

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The human mind needs consistency to feel sane. This is not an a priori argument but an empirical one. .

What is Mind? What is it ontologically?

 

Okay, yeah. 

[integral]

3 hours ago, The Crocodile said:

That's like using lethal force.

Some people think an enlightening guru has to speak or behave in every specific way or else they’re not enlightened.

It’s a new age spirituality trap. The ”vibe is wrong” or it could be an orange trap, where you interpret a person as trying to profit off of you.

You could always interpret whatever everyone says as that they’re trying to manipulate, it’s a simple framing game. It’s common for orange to do this when they look at gurus

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[ConsciousMan]

This episode really helps me to see just how important contemplation is.

The speed at which my mind grasped this logic was SO much the product of all the contemplation.

I realise that the more times my mind has contemplated the ontological questions, the quicker, easier and more effortless the logic is to understand.

It's almost like you can become fluent in it.

When you speak to someone who's done the contemplation, you can just casually throw in, "and because love is unity" etc and they pick up the logic so quickly. It's really quite satisfying.
 

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[Thought Art]

@integral Yeah guy also love the smell of his pseudo-intellectual farts in the form of self important rambling while adding 0 value to the conversation while actively gaslighting and representing Leo and his ability, quality of information and understanding. Ban was warranted. 

Edited May 11 by Thought Art

[ChadT]

I can't stand Tucker.  I find him to be a totally dishonest actor, but I found this interesting.  

 

Edited May 11 by ChadT

[Yimpa]

@ChadT 0:45-0:58

He's Right, because he is a human.

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[AION]

SUMMARY OF THE VIDEO:

The source presents eight unique and original logical proofs for the existence of God. These proofs were constructed based on hundreds of personal awakenings and contemplations into the nature of God, representing a direct consciousness of God's logical structure, rather than speculation, a belief system, or an ideology. The author emphasizes that this is a grounded empirical exploration of God, similar to how a scientist empirically studies aspects of reality like black holes or the sun. It is asserted that you don't need to believe in God if God is real; you can have consciousness of it and empirically explore it. Empiricism, in this context, is expanded beyond physical objects to include abstract entities, like what mathematicians explore in their work.

Important Warnings and Caveats:

The proofs and logic presented are retrospective. You cannot use this logic to reach God or conclude that God exists if you haven't already experienced it; this is because whether the logical conclusions correlate empirically to reality is unknown without direct experience.

Awakening is the only way to know that God exists. Aside from awakening, all you have are speculations, conclusions, theories, and beliefs.

God is not a logical conclusion reached through reasoning alone.

Just because the logic of the proofs is valid doesn't mean it will persuade anyone. The mind has an infinite capacity for doubt, independent of truth or validity.

These proofs are not expected to convince atheists, materialists, scientists, or skeptics because their existing paradigms and biases will likely cause them to reject the conclusions. Different logical systems exist, and people can use logic to justify different positions.

Tautology is presented as a feature, not a bug, when discussing something as fundamental as the basis of existence (God). Reality's existence is a metaphysical tautology – reality must exist.

Understanding the logic presented here will likely not lead to an awakening, although it's a possibility. The primary point of discussing this logic is to provide an understanding of God's logical structure, which is important for deepening awakenings and aiding in the integration process after direct experiences of God.

Encountering or experiencing God is not enough; comprehension of what God is, why it is how it is, and its logic is necessary.

These proofs are presented somewhat "tongue-in-cheek"; they are better described as post-hoc descriptions of the ultimate structure of existence.

Core Concepts:

• God is Reality.
• God is absolute infinity. This is not the limited infinity of mathematics, but absolute infinity.
• God is the very basis of existence.
• God is absolute unity.
• God is unlimited.
• God has absolute sovereignty over itself.
• God has properties like love, omnipotence, omniscience, intelligence, beauty, goodness, and perfection. These are seen as necessary logical consequences of infinity.
• Love is an ontological condition of unity, not just a human emotion. When everything is ontologically united, that is metaphysical love. The deepest form of love is becoming identical to the beloved, which requires collapsing distinctions into absolute nothingness/formlessness (absolute unity).
• Anything that exists is a distinction. Distinctions are imagined by a mind. Absolute distinction is impossible as it would limit reality. The collapse of all distinctions leads to pure indistinctness or nothingness, which is absolute unity, absolute infinity, God.
• God is Mind (capital M), the unlimited ability to imagine all possible distinctions. Mind is fundamentally absolute nothingness that spontaneously precipitates distinctions.
• Logic is absolute and fundamental, baked into the fabric of existence, not merely a human conceptual activity or axiomatic system. Logic extends beyond human sanity and can seem transhuman. Disregarding logic makes worldviews (like materialism, atheism) incoherent. God is seen as logic itself.

The Eight Proofs (Titles):

1. The logic of oneness.
2. The logic of distinction.
3. Argument from numerical infinity.
4. Argument from infinite division.
5. The logic of self-creation.
6. The logic of limits.
7. Argument from control.
8. The impossibility of finite objects.

Detailed Exploration of Selected Proofs:

1. The Logic of Oneness: The argument begins with two possibilities: reality is one, or it is not one. The claim is that if reality is one, it must be God. Anything that is one must have absolute sovereignty over itself because there is no "other" to limit it. An object that is one has no other, thus nothing to limit it, making it unlimited. Any imagined limit would have to be part of the oneness, meaning the oneness controls its own limits, thus is unlimited and has absolute sovereignty. This unlimited sovereignty equates to God. The author then addresses the possibility that reality is not one, suggesting it must be divided by something (a boundary, gap, nothingness). This division must be either real or unreal.

If the division is unreal, reality has not been divided and remains one. You cannot divide a real thing with an unreal thing.

If the division is real, then the division itself is real, and all parts of reality (including the division) are real. Everything that is real is united together by its realness. Any real thing used to divide reality ends up uniting it instead. For example, a real knife used to cut reality must be real, and its realness unites it with the reality it attempts to cut. Even nothingness, if it were real and dividing spacetime, would connect the parts it separates. Therefore, it is absolutely impossible to divide reality; it can only be one. This oneness is reality, and reality is God. Because this oneness (reality) has no other, it is unlimited and has infinite power/omnipotence. This oneness/unity is also linked to love, which is described as the ontological condition of unity.

2. The Logic of Distinction: Anything that exists is a distinction. Even the concept of "not a distinction" is a distinction. All perceived differences (something/nothing, existence/non-existence, limited/unlimited, possible/impossible, real/imaginary, one/many, different starting states of reality, conceptual/physical) are distinctions. These distinctions are held within a mind. It is asserted that there is no such thing as an absolute distinction because that would impose a limit on unlimited reality. Distinctions can come and go. When all distinctions collapse, what remains is pure indistinctness or nothingness. This collapse of distinctions leads to absolute unity, absolute infinity, nothingness, which is God. God is described as the entire possibility space of all distinctions. God, or Mind, is the unlimited ability to imagine all possible distinctions. Physical reality is seen as a "precipitate" of the ontological condition where there is no distinction between absolutely anything. God creates things by imagining distinctions. The distinction between any two things (like a chicken and a kangaroo) is just a conception within consciousness and can be collapsed into absolute unity (nothingness), which is presented as the highest form of love. Every limit to reality is a distinction, imagined by a mind (which is nothingness). The infinite field (God) is unlimited because it imagines all distinctions and therefore has infinite power to materialize anything it can imagine.

6. The Logic of Limits: This proof explores the possibility of reality being limited. There are three initial possibilities:

Initially, nothing exists: If nothing exists, no limits exist (as a limit is something), so reality is unlimited, thus God.

Initially, something exists which is not a limit: By definition, reality is unlimited.

Initially, something exists and it is a limit upon reality: Only in this case is reality potentially limited. If such a limit exists, it is either undoable or not undoable.

If the limit is undoable: Reality can simply undo that limit, making it not a real or permanent limit. Therefore, reality is effectively unlimited, thus infinite, thus God.

If the limit is not undoable: The only way a limit could be not undoable is if there is some other limit outside the first one preventing it from being undone. This requires a second limit, which needs a third to prevent it from being undone, and so on. This leads to an infinite chain of limits. An infinite chain of limits either terminates (making it finite, with the topmost limit being undoable, thus the whole system is unlimited) or it literally is infinite, in which case you have infinity, which is God. Therefore, reality cannot be permanently locked down; it is impossible to have a limit that cannot be undone. The very logic of existence requires it to be infinite and unlimited. If reality is unlimited, anything goes, anything imaginable is possible, and everything imaginable is possible, including the greatest imaginable thing: God (infinite consciousness, love, perfection, etc.). Absolute perfection must exist simply because it can exist, and every possible thing that can exist must exist. An unlimited object leads to a "runaway chain reaction of imagination" or an "explosion of possibility" that bootstraps itself to higher orders until it reaches infinite imagination/love, which is God.

3. Argument from Numerical Infinity: The argument points to the human mind's ability to count numbers infinitely. The fact that your mind can imagine ever larger numbers means that reality must be actually infinite, not just potentially. This is considered sufficient proof of infinity and God. While skeptics might claim the mind is a finite brain/computer, the source asserts the mind is infinite and is not limited to neurons; it actually can imagine infinitely higher numbers. The inability to explicitly count to infinity is due to finite lifespan, but the capacity to grasp ever higher numbers infinitely is proof of the mind's infinity. This cannot be empirically proven in the traditional sense (like counting all numbers), but it can be implicitly grasped through consciousness and intelligence. The key step connecting this to God is the claim that if any part of reality can be shown to be infinite, all of reality must be infinite. This is illustrated with the example of a 3D cube with two finite dimensions and one infinite dimension; the entire cube becomes infinite. Similarly, an infinite object held within a computer would mean the computer is infinite. Since the number line (an infinite object) is inside your mind, your mind is infinite. Since your mind is inside the universe (and mind and world are not distinct), the universe must also be infinite. Anything that is infinite is God. This infinity is not just mathematical infinity, but encompasses everything imaginable. Mathematical infinity is just one "sub-infinity" or aspect of absolute infinity (God). Anything infinite that is imagined is a part of God. Scientists/mathematicians are seen as "ants" focusing on small aspects of infinity without seeing the whole (the "elephant"). The ability to grasp infinity requires an infinite mind. Even science/physics implicitly relies on infinities (fields, calculus, Big Bang/black hole singularities).

4. Argument from Infinite Division: This proof is based on the fact that you can subdivide any number infinitely; there is no smallest number. This can only be the case if the mind and the universe are actually infinite. This infinite divisibility is evident abstractly in the mind (e.g., the infinite digits of Pi). The source strongly rejects the scientific/materialist idea that reality is made of discrete, indivisible particles or pixels. It claims that reality is infinitely deep and you can subdivide things forever. This is known through direct consciousness/awakening, which reveals the visual field has infinite resolution and is infinitely continuous, not made of pixels. Don't confuse the limits of scientific measurement with the nature of reality itself. Again, if reality was finite, infinite subdivision wouldn't be possible. By the logic that if anything is infinite, all of reality is infinite, the possibility of infinite division proves that all of reality is infinite, and thus God exists.

5. The Logic of Self-Creation: There are two types of things: finite and infinite. A finite thing cannot create itself because it would need to exist before it could create, which is a logical impossibility. All finite things observed come from other finite things, in a causal chain. The argument then explores possibilities: either there is an infinite chain of finite things, or not. If the chain is infinite, it is God, because anything infinite is God. A potential objection is a finite closed loop of creation (e.g., chicken from dinosaur, dinosaur from crocodile, ... fish from chicken) instead of an infinite chain. However, if this loop is finite, it cannot be self-created (as finite things cannot self-create). This finite loop would require something outside it to create it, leading to a larger loop or chain. If you claim the loop existed eternally, that proves God, as anything eternal exists infinitely. If it's part of a larger loop, you face an infinite regress problem that cannot terminate finitely; termination leads to an unlimited system, and non-termination means an infinite chain (God). Therefore, a finite chain cannot terminate and must ultimately be an infinite chain, which is God. Self-creation is possible only for infinity because it has no outer boundary and is one. God as an infinite void is eternal and didn't need creation, or it can be said to have created itself eternally. Furthermore, God as the void spontaneously manifests finite forms (dreams distinctions). This activity of mind generating form from void is creation, and because it's the ultimate reality doing it, it's self-creation. All creation is self-creation; the universe dreams itself into existence out of nothing. Infinity is capable of self-creation because it is not limited by linear causation, time, space, or sanity. Infinity can "bootstrap itself" into existence. This self-creation is considered an absolute logic of reality, the only explanation for how anything can exist.

7. Argument from Control: Either reality has total control over itself, or it does not. Anything with total self-control is God. To deny God, you must claim reality does not have total self-control. If reality does not have total control over itself, something else must control it. This controlling entity cannot be part of reality, because if it were, it would be included in the totality of reality, meaning reality controls itself, which is God. So, the controller must be something outside of reality. However, anything outside of reality is unreal by ontological necessity. The unreal cannot have any influence or control over the real. Therefore, nothing controls reality other than itself; reality has absolute control over itself. An unlimited reality with absolute self-control would choose to be absolute perfection (infinite love, beauty, goodness, intelligence, consciousness). Thus, reality is God.

8. The Impossibility of Finite Objects: The claim is that infinity must exist. It is impossible for any finite thing to exist entirely on its own. Any finite thing (chicken, black hole, number) imagined must exist within some infinite background void, space, or field. You cannot imagine a finite object without also imagining something else (a backdrop, container) within which it is situated. If this background is finite, it requires another background beyond its edge, leading to an infinite regress or chain, which requires infinity. Therefore, reality cannot have an ultimate boundary. This infinite background, within which all finite objects are situated, is God. Science and physics implicitly recognize this by requiring the use of infinite fields (gravitational, electromagnetic), as finite fields would be incoherent. Physics and mathematics, in this view, are implicitly pointing to God.

Further Points on Infinity, Logic, and Self-Evidence:

God is infinity, but infinity is not a number or math; math is just a small part of it. Understanding infinity is key to understanding existence. Infinity has counterintuitive, radical, "magical" properties that finite objects do not.

The realization of God involves experiencing this magic, which can initially be met with disbelief and self-doubt because it seems too good to be true. Overcoming this self-gaslighting and societal conditioning (science, religion, etc.) is part of the process of realizing God.

God is so fundamental that it sits below the level of explanation; words and finite concepts will inevitably distort it. This distortion is not a flaw in the nature of God or the insights, but a limitation of the finite means of communication. Intelligence is required to separate the signal from the noise in the communication.

God is absolute self-evidence, more self-evident than any human thought, fact, idea, mathematical proof, or logical argument. God is the basis for all existence and is existence itself.

The logic presented here is a "meta-logic" or "trans-logical". It is absolute and fundamental, not merely a human construction. Contemplating logic's absolute nature is crucial. God itself is bound by this logic, or is logic itself. Ignoring this absolute logic leads to an incoherent worldview.

Materialism and atheism are seen as logically incoherent because they cannot account for the existence of finite things without an appeal to infinity. They rely on a shallower form of logic to justify their positions. The atheist who admits infinity is needed but denies it is God does not understand the full consequences of infinity. The source claims that an honest, serious materialist/atheist, upon contemplating these points, would discover the incoherence of their worldview and transition to idealism, recognizing that the only thing that can exist is an infinite mind.

These proofs are not intended to validate any specific religion, new age fantasy, conspiracy theory, or paranormal belief.

Understanding the logic of God requires significant effort and contemplation, often derived through one's own awakenings. The shared logic is a map for others to retrace and discover insights for themselves.

Metaphysics and ontology are considered the most real thing there is and are necessary for making sense of the world. Doing proper metaphysics means following the "infinite way".

The author expresses astonishment that these seemingly obvious insights are not widely known or taught by experts in various fields (philosophers, scientists, theologians, gurus). This lack of understanding is attributed to human selfishness, self-deception, ideology, beliefs, and groupthink preventing people from engaging in fundamental existential thinking.

This work stems from 20 years of first principles existential thinking focused on epistemology (how can I know anything?) and ontology (what is anything, how can anything exist?). It involves discarding all external authority and taking on total epistemic responsibility. This type of "real work" is rare and leads to a fundamentally different understanding than conventional fields. It is described as "jailbreaking" the mind and opening it to God in extraordinary ways.

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[Someone here]

On 10/05/2025 at 6:19 PM, Hojo said:

You struggling with it is what will make you insane. You just gotta admit it. Just say I am insane and that's okay.t

 There is nothing scary about it your perception of an insane person is what it looks like when an insane person is struggling with their insanity.

The person in the padded room is the person who is denying their insanity the most.

I know that im insane and that everyone are insane and that everyone and everything is full of shit and nobody knows anything and that this is gonna be the case forever..

What's new here ?