RFK Jr getting grilled at confirmation hearing

[Staples]

Fuck yeah Dems. That slaughter in the hearing was beautiful.

RFK's PR training is pretty damn good, but even the best framing can't beat Truth.

[Leo Gura]

The anti-vax onesies for $25 was the cherry on top.

[Something Funny]

At least you could say that Trump is a good talker.

How can anyone fall for this stuttering, mumbling guy with fish eyes who is also saying complete nonsense?

[Terell Kirby]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Someone please use AI to give us a summary of false/problematic claims RFK has made on the record.

Claude AI:

Regarding vaccines and health:
- He has repeatedly claimed vaccines are linked to autism, despite this being thoroughly debunked by numerous large-scale scientific studies
- He suggested certain ingredients in vaccines are harmful toxins, misrepresenting their actual roles and safety profiles
- He has promoted unfounded theories about vaccine schedules overwhelming children's immune systems

Regarding COVID-19:
- He claimed COVID-19 was ethnically targeted to spare Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese people, a statement he later walked back after widespread criticism
- He spread misinformation about COVID-19 death rates and disputed established scientific consensus about transmission and prevention measures
- He promoted unproven treatments while questioning the safety and efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines

Regarding environmental issues:
- He has made inaccurate claims about 5G networks and their supposed health effects
- He has promoted debunked theories about certain chemicals in water supplies

Regarding historical events:
- He has promoted various conspiracy theories about the assassination of his uncle President John F. Kennedy that conflict with established historical evidence.

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Terell Kirby said:

Claude AI:

Regarding vaccines and health:
- He has repeatedly claimed vaccines are linked to autism, despite this being thoroughly debunked by numerous large-scale scientific studies
- He suggested certain ingredients in vaccines are harmful toxins, misrepresenting their actual roles and safety profiles
- He has promoted unfounded theories about vaccine schedules overwhelming children's immune systems

Regarding COVID-19:
- He claimed COVID-19 was ethnically targeted to spare Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese people, a statement he later walked back after widespread criticism
- He spread misinformation about COVID-19 death rates and disputed established scientific consensus about transmission and prevention measures
- He promoted unproven treatments while questioning the safety and efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines

Regarding environmental issues:
- He has made inaccurate claims about 5G networks and their supposed health effects
- He has promoted debunked theories about certain chemicals in water supplies

Regarding historical events:
- He has promoted various conspiracy theories about the assassination of his uncle President John F. Kennedy that conflict with established historical evidence.

That is just the tip of the iceberg. It gets much worse:

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/07/how-rfk-jr-falsely-denied-his-connection-to-a-deadly-measles-outbreak-in-samoa/

[Leo Gura]

Quote

 

Rfk Jr. Said Covid-19 Targets ‘caucasians And Black People’

Kennedy Jr. was caught on camera in July of 2023 telling fellow diners that “COVID-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and Black people” and “the people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese,” according to a video made public in the New York Post, which also shows him saying the U.S. “put hundreds of millions of dollars into ethnically targeted microbes” and labs in Ukraine collected Russian and Chinese DNA “so we can target people by race.”

 

Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2024/11/15/rfk-jrs-conspiracy-theories-heres-what-trumps-pick-for-health-secretary-has-promoted/

[Consept]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2024/11/15/rfk-jrs-conspiracy-theories-heres-what-trumps-pick-for-health-secretary-has-promoted/

This ones so wild  he just pulls all this out of his arse

[Leo Gura]

Anti-vax onesies for sale:

 

[Leo Gura]

Look at this for sale right now:

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/community/childrens-health-defense-merch-chd-online-store/

https://vaxxed3.childrenshealthdefense.org/

https://chdstore.org/product/92ceb8d5-a092-ef11-a066-3cecef705787

https://chdstore.org/category/042bf110-1e2f-ef11-a065-3cecef705787

Edited January 30 by Leo Gura

[Terell Kirby]

13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

His whole career is a grift.

Seems to have panned out well for him given his position as Secretary-amazing how in our system nowadays, you can grift your way into the highest positions in governance (Trump included).

13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

He created this alt-health niche for himself and makes millions from it and uses it to get sex and feel powerful.

I’m sure the more power and sex he gets, the more he believes his own lies. I can’t imagine what he’ll do discredit reliable sources of data and expertise on vaccines and other things.

[Leo Gura]

The grift that keeps on grifting:

https://chdstore.org/product/c90c04b4-04ad-ef11-a067-3cecef705787

I'm in the wrong business.

Edited January 30 by Leo Gura

[ItsNick]

13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Well, but it's good to air out all this nonsense. It needed to be purged. The demons had be let loose for all to see. The corrupt has to play itself out now and we will rebuild later.

12 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

In the midst of all this Trump nonsense it is easy to forget that there are good Dems fighting the good fight every day.

We must be careful not to get mired in cynicism.

Seems to be happening almost everywhere, not just the US, this visible corruption.

But basically this: Devils destroy themselves, eventually. Sadly this goes with a lot of suffering and most people will not mature or learn a thing but thank God there are people willing to do the non-flashy, often ungrateful and unseen work to keep building towards a better future for everyone.

And I think for most of us here it's important to remember that even though there is now chaos and hell to come in the outside world, we keep doing the work of creating peace and beauty in ourselves, our hearts and our own lives.

[Joshe]

Vaccine-related claims:

• In his 2021 book "The Real Anthony Fauci" and multiple interviews, claimed that vaccines are linked to autism, despite this being conclusively disproven by numerous large-scale studies
• Stated that thimerosal in vaccines was responsible for an "autism epidemic" - this preservative was removed from childhood vaccines in 2001 and multiple studies showed no link
• Claimed that vaccine mandates violated the Nuremberg Code, misrepresenting both the code and vaccine requirements
• Asserted that vaccines can weaken the immune system, contrary to immunological evidence

COVID-19 claims:

• Claimed COVID-19 was "ethnically targeted" to spare Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese people
• Stated that COVID-19 was "targeted to attack Caucasians and Black people" and that "the people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese"
• Suggested that COVID-19 was likely engineered to spare certain ethnic groups, a claim without scientific basis
• Promoted hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin as COVID-19 treatments despite lack of evidence for efficacy

Historical/Political claims:

• Stated that the 2020 election was stolen through manipulation of voting machines
• Claimed that electronic voting machines can be and were hacked to change votes
• Suggested that the CIA was involved in his uncle JFK's assassination
• Claimed that Sirhan Sirhan did not kill his father RFK Sr., despite eyewitness testimony and forensic evidence

Digital technology claims:

• Stated that 5G technology was developed as a surveillance and population control tool
• Claimed that WiFi causes cancer and various health problems
• Asserted that digital currencies are primarily tools for government surveillance and control

Environmental claims:

• Suggested that certain chemicals in water supplies are causing gender changes in frogs and affecting human sexuality
• Claimed without evidence that certain pesticides are responsible for specific chronic diseases
   

These are just the few that Claude knows about. 

[Myagooshki]

1 hour ago, Joshe said:

Vaccine-related claims:

• In his 2021 book "The Real Anthony Fauci" and multiple interviews, claimed that vaccines are linked to autism, despite this being conclusively disproven by numerous large-scale studies
• Stated that thimerosal in vaccines was responsible for an "autism epidemic" - this preservative was removed from childhood vaccines in 2001 and multiple studies showed no link
• Claimed that vaccine mandates violated the Nuremberg Code, misrepresenting both the code and vaccine requirements
• Asserted that vaccines can weaken the immune system, contrary to immunological evidence

COVID-19 claims:

• Claimed COVID-19 was "ethnically targeted" to spare Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese people
• Stated that COVID-19 was "targeted to attack Caucasians and Black people" and that "the people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese"
• Suggested that COVID-19 was likely engineered to spare certain ethnic groups, a claim without scientific basis
• Promoted hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin as COVID-19 treatments despite lack of evidence for efficacy

Historical/Political claims:

• Stated that the 2020 election was stolen through manipulation of voting machines
• Claimed that electronic voting machines can be and were hacked to change votes
• Suggested that the CIA was involved in his uncle JFK's assassination
• Claimed that Sirhan Sirhan did not kill his father RFK Sr., despite eyewitness testimony and forensic evidence

Digital technology claims:

• Stated that 5G technology was developed as a surveillance and population control tool
• Claimed that WiFi causes cancer and various health problems
• Asserted that digital currencies are primarily tools for government surveillance and control

Environmental claims:

• Suggested that certain chemicals in water supplies are causing gender changes in frogs and affecting human sexuality
• Claimed without evidence that certain pesticides are responsible for specific chronic diseases
   

These are just the few that Claude knows about. 

A few of these I know are garbage. For example, the trials on hydroxychloroquine were bullshit, either the full cocktail was not administered (only the hydroxy and not the zpack and the zinc), or it was not administered early enough, and there is a lot of information out there involving the potential involvement of the CIA in JFK's assassination. 5G technology is definitely being used for surveillance. Population control itself? If there's population control, it's people making content on the internet moreso than 5G itself. 

If he gets in and he changes things for the good, some of these claims will be less important. If he gets in and he changes things for the worse, he sold out. If he doesn't get in, we'll never know. But when there's always a lot of propaganda going on about various things in science and medicine, I would be careful in assuming that a person that the media and establishment is targeting is necessarily lying. He could be, but this brazen attitude of confidence that people are having about their hypothesis that he is lying is superficial and hasty. 

[Joshe]

@Myagooshki What about the ones that ain't garbage?

If someone was an early fan of RFK, before all the evidence against his character came out, they'd be much more likely to disregard or whitewash the clearly damning evidence against him. Similar phenomenon with Trump.

They think they are logical and are making sense, but they're totally blinded by unconscious biases they've inadvertently created by investing positive emotion in a character. Then, every argument just serves to strengthen their biases and commitment to what they want to be true. They thirst for plausible deniability because it's the only shred of hope they have to not be wrong. 

Personally, I don't understand why people put so much stock or faith in public figures. If I thought someone was great but they turned out to be an asshole, I'd just accept it... but hey, that's just me! 

[Jodistrict]

On 1/29/2025 at 0:55 PM, Something Funny said:

@Jodistrict Lol, are you writing from a parallel universe? 

This was an interesting exchange today:

'The moment came during day two of Kennedy’s Senate confirmation hearing, where he told Sanders, “By the way Bernie, the problem with corruption is not just in the federal agencies, it’s in Congress too. Almost all the members of this panel are accepting, including yourself, are accepting millions of dollars from the pharmaceutical industry.”

When the audience clapped in approval of RFK’s comment, Sanders angrily waved his hand in the air, saying, “Oh no! No, no, no, no… I ran for president like you. I got millions and millions of contributions. They did not come from the executives, not one nickel of PAC money from the pharmaceutical industry, they came from workers.”

Kennedy responded, “In 2020 you were the single largest receiver of pharmaceutical money… Bernie, you were the single largest accepter of pharmaceutical dollars. $1.5 million.”

“Yeah, out of $200 million,” Sanders answered.'

 

https://x.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1885039797661585782

Edited January 31 by Jodistrict

[Topspin715]

On 1/30/2025 at 3:53 AM, Leo Gura said:

Someone please use AI to give us a summary of false/problematic claims RFK has made on the record.

He's aware of a lot of problems with our current medical industrial complex.  Many of which are real and some of which aren't.

The reality is that the conventional "gold standard" of medical research, the double blinded controlled test has serious limitations even before you consider the massive regulatory capture.

His views on vaccines are largely incoherent but they are not as safe as people think.  We need new ways of thinking about health care policy and research and clinical treatments.  I've unfortunately suffered tremendously, due to an injury caused by a pharma giant that they covered up in order to preserve sales.  I've done very deep investigations into this kind of thing and while I disagree with a lot of what RFK is saying, the status quo is so rotten and rigid and public dissatisfaction with our institutions is so low (for many good reasons and some bad) that the people elevate kinda unhinged populists to expose weaknesses and faults in the system.  It's just the start of the restructuring process.

[Leo Gura]

22 minutes ago, Topspin715 said:

people elevate kinda unhinged populists to expose weaknesses and faults in the system.

That is the mode de jour. But it will end up killing more people.

Just imagine how many will die if RFK is in office and another pandemic hits. It's totally irresponsible.

[Recursoinominado]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Just imagine how many will die if RFK is in office and another pandemic hits. It's totally irresponsible.

Brazil was once a great example of vaccination, our national programs were pretty effective, most people were vaccinates.

Then we had the pandemic with an anti-vax president (Bolsonaro) and now our vaccination rates are plumed, and tens of millions of children won't be vaccinated, imagine the societal damage over the years.

[Spiral Wizard]

On 1/31/2025 at 9:51 AM, Jodistrict said:

This was an interesting exchange today:

'The moment came during day two of Kennedy’s Senate confirmation hearing, where he told Sanders, “By the way Bernie, the problem with corruption is not just in the federal agencies, it’s in Congress too. Almost all the members of this panel are accepting, including yourself, are accepting millions of dollars from the pharmaceutical industry.”

When the audience clapped in approval of RFK’s comment, Sanders angrily waved his hand in the air, saying, “Oh no! No, no, no, no… I ran for president like you. I got millions and millions of contributions. They did not come from the executives, not one nickel of PAC money from the pharmaceutical industry, they came from workers.”

Kennedy responded, “In 2020 you were the single largest receiver of pharmaceutical money… Bernie, you were the single largest accepter of pharmaceutical dollars. $1.5 million.”

“Yeah, out of $200 million,” Sanders answered.'

 

https://x.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1885039797661585782

What do you guys think about that? 

It seems deceptive when Bernie says "not one nickel of PAC money from the pharmaceutical industry, they came from workers." + talk over RFK to try to make him go silent & then, when RFK continues to press on the issue, Bernie admits to be "the single largest accepter of pharmaceutical dollars. $1.5 million." 

I thought I liked Bernie but this seems to be a big minus point for his integrity.