Which stage of Spiral Dynamics do you currently identify with the most?

[Davino]

@Carl-Richard I was writing that!🤣

[Davino]

36 minutes ago, Kairos said:

@Davino If Turquoise or future stages embody the synthesis of all previous stages, do they also embody their contradictions?

For instance Red and green clash with each other so how do u hold this contradiction .

Life is a contradiction

The other day I spent half an hour grabbing a little insect and leaving it outside of my house, I don't want him to be inside because they reproduce a lot but neither to murder it needlessly. However, then I eat a good meat for lunch.

It's understanding the nature of each thing, being comfortable with chaos and loving everything for what it is.

 

If you want me to be more specific please reformulate your question regarding the clash of red and green. It's a fault of mine to be very high level so if you feel like your doubt wasn't addressed, express it so and interrogate me further.

[Raphael]

I'm surprise to see how much Yellow there is.

[Daniel Balan]

You should have put stage red and purple there! I honestly believe that I am a strange combo of 50% green 40% red and 10%purple! To me God is Gaia! The mother nature, the wind and the trees and the seasons and the night-sky! To me nature is God! When I behold the night sky full of stars or the vast fields of corn and wheat in my village I see God! That's why I say I'm purple! What I don't see as God is myself and other humans! To me when I see humans I see the devil! When I look in the mirror I see The Devil looking at itself! My thoughts are evil and I am evil! That's why I am red. But my biggest part of personality is being a Hardcore SJW I try my very best to bring justice in the world and be a just person as much as I can. That's why I say i'm green also because I love the earth and the seasons so much! I love this planet to death , the only thing I hate are the devils that populate it, myself included!

Edited January 4 by Daniel Balan

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

Green^

Lol

[Leo Gura]

39 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Green^

Realizing the limits of SD is an important part of Tier 2.

SD can be criticized from below or from above.

Edited January 4 by Leo Gura

[Abe27]

I feel like it's difficult to evalutate fully, since i in the analytical thinking sense seems to be turquise. Whlie in a interpersonal or emotional setting quickly fall to a lower stage, which one is hard to decode. I don't really want to call myself turquise, since it's such a late stage for a young person to call themself, so i vote yellow. 

[UnbornTao]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

Green^

A model^

 

[Carl-Richard]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Realizing the limits of SD is an important part of Tier 2.

SD can be criticized from below or from above.

Beige^ 

The "unnecessary" part seems quite Green. "It's unnecessary to think bro, just vibe bro".

But it was said mostly jokingly. I generally find analyzing another forum member's SD stage revolting.

Edited January 4 by Carl-Richard

[Sincerity]

5 hours ago, Raphael said:

I'm surprise to see how much Yellow there is.

People overestimate themselves.

[Carl-Richard]

36 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

People overestimate themselves.

You underestimate yourself 😉

[TheAlchemist]

My observation is that any discussion about SD must always involve some reference to the problems of stage green 

Before I though I was becoming yellow. Now I think I am devolving fast towards some pre-human state. My plans for a future as a spiral wizard are doomed! 😁

To beige and beyond!

Edited January 4 by TheAlchemist

[Sincerity]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

You underestimate yourself 😉

I'll never get over how people overestimate their spiral stages. Yellow seems to be the stage which intellectual people are most comfortable with identifying themselves with. I have slightly-deeper-than-surface-level analysis of some topics so I must be yellow. I know SD theory, I'm such a spiral wizard you guys.

And usage of the word 'coral' on the forum should result in an automatic ban. 

Edited January 5 by Sincerity

[Davino]

6 hours ago, Kairos said:

How would you integrate stage RED's individualism and GREEN's collectivism at the same time .

In the same way I did in the story I told you

The stage Green in me took care of the beautiful little insect

The stage Red in me wanted to serve itself a delicious meal

The balance is in the tension between the individual and the collective. Ken Wilber and Friederich Schleiermacher talk a lot about this topic, in case you wanna get into more detail. The question you ask has more to do about this tension than with developmental stages (it is true that each stage swings predominantly from individual to collective and viceversa: red individual, blue collective, orange individual, green collective...)

I have a practical example for you to contemplate: Let's say you are in a romantic relationship, how do you keep being yourself (autonomy) while also connecting with your beloved (communion)? In this question lies the answer to your doubt. Leo talks about such interplay in his video: Division vs Unity - The Engine That Runs Reality

6 hours ago, Kairos said:

The decision you took of not killing the insect but eating the meat for lunch seems to be based on your FEELINGS not some Big picture framework that a stage YELLOW or TURQUOISE person would embody .

Why are frameworks above feelings? Why are feelings above frameworks?

I use frameworks but I'm not caged by them. I let all feelings to be felt while striving to mantain unbiased discernment. Models are nothing but useful maps, they are pragmatic and correlate with my experience, hence I use them. Overall, I respect my Conscious Sovereignity and from that steam all my decisions.

[Davino]

56 minutes ago, RightHand said:

Green feels like one step before the singularity. 

Green is very deep. Quick test to know if you have gone through green:

Do you Recycle?

Are you vegetarian/vegan or have you been?

[Carl-Richard]

11 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

I'll never get over how people overestimate their spiral stages.

This is not about SD (or intended to be), but it's possible to come to a place where nothing (in terms of human behavior) really surprises you or puzzles you. Just felt like sharing that.

Edited January 5 by Carl-Richard

[Unlimited]

10 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

You should have put stage red and purple there! I honestly believe that I am a strange combo of 50% green 40% red and 10%purple!

This poll is just about voting the one you are in the most.

And maybe you should look into SD again because for me it sounds more like you are in blue than purple.

[Unlimited]

I was stuck in stage orange for a few years but recently I've noticed some bigger changes within myself.
I tried to figure out what it was and then I realized that I finally reached tier 2.
There is still green and some orange in me but I see myself the most in yellow now.

[RendHeaven]

4 hours ago, Davino said:

Are you vegetarian/vegan or have you been?

Good one.

You should be able to passionately steelman and argue on behalf of all so-called "SJW" narratives, even if you don't agree with them.

Ideally have actual past experience merging your identity with these narratives (even if it didn't last).

Veganism, feminism, LGBTQ+, socialism, critical race theory, environmental advocate, etc.

4 hours ago, Sincerity said:

I'll never get over how people overestimate their spiral stages. Yellow seems to be the stage which intellectual people are most comfortable with identifying themselves with. I have slightly-deeper-than-surface-level analysis of some topics so I must be yellow. I know SD theory, I'm such a spiral wizard you guys.

And usage of the word 'coral' on the forum should result in an automatic ban. 

Good points.

I had a similar trajectory myself. I felt as though I hit "yellow" as early as 18 years old graduating high school (after 2 years of guzzling Leo content and unhooking from most ideologies), but I had a (predictably) glaring stage Green blindspot.

I think Orange to Yellow pipline is a tempting path, and not necessarily a bad path - you just have to be honest with yourself and backtrack deep into Green if you care about actually being holistic.

I went through a fierce identification with green between age 20-22 which I organically outgrew at age 23.

[lostingenosmaze]

All the people who identify themselves as Stage Beige, please go back to your cribs. Your parents must be worried sick about you ☹️