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[UnbornTao]

38 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

@UnbornTao If Leo didn't touch any psyche at all and still made the same videos like he did, you would be kissing his ass. 

It's just so funny your bias against psychedelics, you haven't contemplated what it is.

Feel free to think that.

[Lila9]

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This is a good insight about creativity and art.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DWe7FYDjy70

But I specifically want to connect this with science and academia. To be truly intelligent, scientists and academics need to allow their minds to be messy, which they are not allowing. Modern science and academia is so anti-creative that of course they are stuck. The rampant rationalism of academia constipates the mind, lowering its natural intelligence. This is the godlessness of academia.

A messy mind is more intelligent than a buttoned-up one. Mental fluidity IS intelligence. The most intelligent mind is so fluid that it can flow around anything.

In art, you are allowed to make bad art, it's no big deal. But in science and academia you are not allowed to be imaginative. As soon as do, your colleagues will eat you alive and excommunicate you like the witch that you are. But the witch's mind is more intelligent than the scientist's.

This is true, and it stems from the repression of life, creativity, and chaos, and, on an energetic level, the repression of the feminine.

People and institutions can't repress creativity, life, and chaos while expecting to get to the truth or have radical breakthroughs and evolution. Society is starving for true creativity, out-of-the-box thinking, and the unpredictability involved with messy progress rather than the fixed focus on the results. We forgot that great results usually come with messy and imperfect process. 

This reminds me of this good channel with some radical but true insights about art and creativity:

 

 

 

 

[Rafael Thundercat]

Leo Gura stop cherry picking stuff without deep research.

About the Ghost Dance you must be reminded that for many other tribes the movement was a sort of Con-Aritst game. Read the Book "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee" to know more. 

Here is what the link from Wikipedia says: 

" Despite the widespread acceptance of the Ghost Dance movement, Navajo leaders described the Ghost Dance as "worthless words" in 1890.Three years later, James Mooney arrived at the Navajo reservation in northern Arizona during his study of the Ghost Dance movement and found the Navajo never incorporated the ritual into their society.

Kehoe believed the movement did not gain traction with the tribe due to the Navajo's higher levels of social and economic satisfaction at the time. Another factor was cultural norms among the Navajo, which inculcated a fear of ghosts and spirits, based on religious beliefs.

Another points:

In Dee Brown's seminal history Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee, Wovoka (the Paiute prophet) is primarily discussed in Chapter 18 ("Dance of the Ghosts"). Wovoka himself does not provide direct, quoted citations to the author. Instead, his teachings and prophecy are cited through historical context, third-party letters, and tribal testimonies. 

Wovoka's teachings can be located within the book and its broader literature using these key citations: [1]

Core Prophecy: The Khan Academy Wounded Knee Massacre & The Ghost Dance article outlines how Wovoka taught the Ghost Dance to reunite ancestors, bring back the buffalo, and peacefully remove white settlers from Native lands.

Chapter 18 Context: Chapter 18 of the book details how Wovoka's visionary teachings (which notably blended Christian and traditional beliefs) gave desperate tribes a sense of hope that mirrored the Christian Second Coming. 

So Wovoka was already infected with the Christian Virus, we can see him more like a Native American Version of Joseph Smith trying to build a cult than of a Original Tribal Person. 

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i have contact with Indigenous people and their ways of Spirituality. Many dont claim at all that is a path to God, there is many ceremonies that are aimed to unite people, solve social problems, harmonise the stuff among villagers or simply celebration. Not everything is about reaching Infinity. Sun dance Festivals exists for some other reasons, Vision Quest going to the mountain for 4 days no food no water also, are more about gaining clarity on what one wish to bring up into live and life purpouse than reaching insane levels of God Realization. And honestly you are aware enogth that is not possible or necessary that all humans beings alling with your goal of Infinity. Enjoy your Merits, you maybe will be the only one to Know what you know, people will do their own thing and never reach your levels of Cosmic MindFuckery.

Also, I can bet Mr Leo Gura never had direct contact with one or several Shamans. Interesting that somewhere in your teachings you even recommend people that maybe they will need to go to a Shaman in the Forest as part of their journey. Why would you assume that doing that may be part of the path to someone's life? The question is not about listenting the worldview of the shaman, the question is where one drives his/her mind when the effect of a strong dose of Ayahuasca hits. 

 

A study link for your apreciation.

Give and example to your dissmisive members and do a full reasearch on it before spilling assumptions

https://www.coursehero.com/lit/Bury-My-Heart-at-Wounded-Knee/

The Guy was not a Shaman, was a desperate Con-Artist

Ps: here is where you made a generalization:

"This is how all tribal people reason."

I know you tend to exagerate, you even confessed this tendency once, so.

We all ex-agerate anyhow:

The Latin Roots

The word's composition breaks down directly into:

\(ex-\): A prefix meaning "thoroughly" or "out".

\(aggerare\): A verb meaning "to heap up" or "accumulate".

\(agger\): The root noun for a "heap," "pile," "mound," or "earthwork". [1, 2]

The Evolution to "Overstating"

Over time, the physical imagery of piling dirt or stones morphed into a figurative meaning. Just as aggerare meant to magnify or amplify an earthwork, the English word shifted by the 1560s to mean magnifying a story, stretching the truth, or describing something as more extreme than it actually is.

Edited yesterday at 02:27 PM by Rafael Thundercat

[Leo Gura]

21 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

"This is how all tribal people reason."

You are creating a lot of noise, but the main point still stands. That is how pre-rational people reason.

[Davino]

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Then you drink water and realize I am the hallucination.