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[Natasha Tori Maru]

Direct mechanism of action is one of the hardest things to pin down.

It is the old correlation =/= causation.

And its half the reason why the whole 'wellness' industry can be a phat $$$ deceptive grift - mechanisms of action need hard science and proper method. I would add; lack of understood mechanism doesn't mean no effect - it just means lower confidence. And it's not mechanism alone, but quality of evidence.

Edited 13 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[ZenSwift]

I spent the last 6 hours studying this and making a neat and clean PDF consolidating all of the insights. Expect that in a future post. 
https://www.actualized.org/insights/a-deep-explanation-of-how-women-mate


 

[bazera]

https://www.actualized.org/insights/gaia-ambient-music

This is beautiful, thanks for sharing!

@Leo Gura Do you really do your pranayamas while listening to it? Doesn't it distract you?

[AerisVahnEphelia]

I’ve always said that 25 is the threshold age. I’ve debated it with a lot of people, and over time it just keeps feeling accurate.

I started experimenting at 24 and had my first real LSD experience at 25. Even with a lot of prior contemplation, it was still difficult to integrate. And no, I don’t think anyone younger than that can truly integrate those experiences in a meaningful way.

I keep seeing the same pattern. I’ve never seen anyone under 25 who can take those states and actually weave them into their daily life in a stable, growth-oriented way.

I also think frameworks like Spiral Dynamics or rigid “men vs. women” theories should be dropped. The paradox is simple: grown men and women don’t look for the same things, but there’s no absolute rule either. You constantly see strong women with weak men or whatever, really some mans will date very ugly woman just cause they are kind even if they themselves aren't ugly or anything.

An overreliance on theory often leads to more self-deception than having no strong theory at all. And the irony is that if you keep stacking theories, you eventually reach a point where your “best” theory explains why all those theories are, in the end, totaly hollow of realities.

please drop spiral dynamic attachment too, especially hoe maths, this guy is as enlightened as my chatgpt can be, he is mind poison in so many ways.

I m not saying there is no power to seeing "level of consciousness" but those things can barely be "explained" it needs embodied knowledge through talking to a lot of people from different place.

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for once good relax music leo, I don't like your others playlist, but we at least agree on the relaxation.
 

Edited 10 hours ago by AerisVahnEphelia

[bazera]

19 minutes ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

please drop spiral dynamic attachment too, especially hoe maths, this guy is as enlightened as my chatgpt can be, he is mind poison in so many ways.

Like in what ways? I found his video useful. 

Dating advice doesn't need to come from an enlightened guru.

[Leo Gura]

44 minutes ago, bazera said:

Doesn't it distract you?

No

[Leo Gura]

6 hours ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

@Leo Gura contemplating this https://www.actualized.org/insights/you-invented-history I had the insight that time is change. And every change is imaginary because reality is absolute. So when you move your hand, the memory of moving that hand is imaginary, except for the fact that it’s occurring in your direct experience, because change never actually happens.
Am I getting it?

Doesn't sound like what I meant.

[integral]

Double blind studies cost hundreds of thousands to run.

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[AerisVahnEphelia]

4 hours ago, bazera said:

Like in what ways? I found his video useful. 

Dating advice doesn't need to come from an enlightened guru.

Advices won't help you with embodied knowledge.

Our culture/western matrix value for instance certain traits, they are not as universal as we might think.

Maybe some mimicking attractive factors also only exist in a "capitalist" society.
Some girls don't value money in man, some girls don't value badboy/power at all.

it's really so case by case. . but sure in a bubble maybe those advices "might work".

Some power PUA in america would fail miserably in Japan ( even if we assume they spoked perfect japanese )

that's just a crude exemple, theories always come from minds and imaginations.

 

It's not that "spiral dynamic" vibe isn't real, is that it's real in vibe, completely false in interpretations.

but also completely true in certain cases.
But mostly, it won't be true at all.

Especially when people use romantic language like "strenght, power" the fuck this means, even a worm is powerful in his capacity to wingle in the dirt while looking for nutriments.

 

Edited 6 hours ago by AerisVahnEphelia

[Davino]

On Quote 545, I'll add another one:

Reality is uncaused, self-caused and infinitely-caused.  ~ Leo Gura

[Rafael Thundercat]

4 hours ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

please drop spiral dynamic attachment too, especially hoe maths, this guy is as enlightened as my chatgpt can be, he is mind poison in so many ways.

I also have the same feeling. His way of seeing sounds like true but is to reductive, and I think that the situation is that people who are afraid of complextity will find this ways of construction of theories to avoid uncertaintiy. Their minds can cope with the ideia that reality if complex and nuanced so they will built ways to simply it with schemes. 

[Rafael Thundercat]

7 minutes ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

Advices won't help you with embodied knowledge.

Our culture/western matrix value for instance certain traits, they are not as universal as we might think.

Maybe some mimicking attractive factors also only exist in a "capitalism" society.
Some girls don't value money in man, some girls don't value badboy/power at all.

it's really so case by case. . but sure in a bubble maybe those advices "might work".

and that apply to everything

True. I am in Bahia Brasil and here although women still value strong men, the locals are dating men that in the eyes of capitalistic society would never have luck with the level of beauty some women they are dating have. Some hot brunnetes here can care less for me a white dude. They like to date guys that are natives even if they just own a bike and have a simple job in a supermarket. Hoe Math calculations dont apply universaly. 

[AerisVahnEphelia]

13 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

True. I am in Bahia Brasil and here although women still value strong men, the locals are dating men that in the eyes of capitalistic society would never have luck with the level of beauty some women they are dating have. Some hot brunnetes here can care less for me a white dude. They like to date guys that are natives even if they just own a bike and have a simple job in a supermarket. Hoe Math calculations dont apply universaly. 

 
There is no theories to save you from life.
 

[integral]

@Leo Gura That RO machine is not remineralizing. You have to warn people and tell them they must remineralize their water.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Typically when someone cannot understand the nature of something, they need and cling to excessive theory and generalisations. 

You find the more an outcome is desired or needed, the more the concept is clung to. The less direct experience the person has, the more the lean to abstraction to compensate.

When you grasp a thing you normally have the ability to shed all concept and frames of understanding - loosely picking them up or throwing them away. But not requiring them as 'scaffolding' as much as when there is emotional ties to outcome and an experience gap.

Having said that - sometimes the reverse can be true. A system can be genuinely complex and resistant to direct simple grasp. It cannot be reduced and needs nuance and case-by-case assessment using a frame. 

But I think a stout mind can assess and throw away all pre-conceived notions of a thing and approach with 'I don't know'.

No attachment to concepts, but full access to them. Ultimately, all need to be discarded.

[Giancarlo]

On 4/14/2026 at 2:47 AM, Leo Gura said:

It was hard for me even in my 30s. I took it too far. I can't imagine a youngster going through my arc. That would be very risky.

@Leo Gura Can you elaborate by what you mean by this? Was it simply disillusionment with money, success, sex, etc? Or something more serious?

And I guess the follow-up question: how did you resolve it?