Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[Joshe]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Any thinking person can register that as wrong.

That isn't rocket science.

Right. But some people are naturally put off by it and compelled to uproot it. If your system rejects conformity from the outset, mostly all you need is self-awareness to honor it. That, and a lifestyle mostly detached from social environments. No big epistemic project necessary for this orientation. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Joshe

[Leo Gura]

@Joshe You are discounting the insane work that went into reaching my current stage of mind.

I can assure you that no one is going to reach it "naturally".

[UnbornTao]

Too maverick to be nonconformist. 🐠😎

[Joshe]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

@Joshe You are discounting the insane work that went into reaching my current stage of mind.

I can assure you that no one is going to reach it "naturally".

I'm not discounting the work you've put in. I'm saying your non-conformity would have emerged regardless, without epistemic mastery. 

[PenguinPablo]

@Joshe Not unless you aim at that ruthlessly.

The amount of baggage we take on from culture and society is deeply ingrained.

To undo that requires serious commitment.

[Leo Gura]

37 minutes ago, Joshe said:

I'm not discounting the work you've put in. I'm saying your non-conformity would have emerged regardless, without epistemic mastery. 

No. Epistemology was crucial in achieving Autonomous mind.

I don't think you are talking about the same level of mind I am talking about.

I can grant you that my interest in epistemology was helped along by my personality type.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

3 minutes ago, PenguinPablo said:

@Joshe Not unless you aim at that ruthlessly.

The amount of baggage we take on from culture and society is deeply ingrained.

To undo that requires serious commitment.

Exactly. I think it is part of the human experience in the social domain to recognise where we were conformist in our youth, especially. There is a natural feeling of regret and revulsion at our previous behaviour in an attempt to fit into the clan prior to knowing who we are. 

It takes energy devoted to awareness to feel a compulsion to really seek out where we are further conforming unconsciously. This needs critical assessment of both behaviour and systems we integrate into.

One needs to recognise WHY conformity is negative. It's systemic effects on society and the individual - and then work to break free.

[AtmanIsBrahman]

@Leo Gura Why is it that studying science in university is the criterium for having rationality? I don’t think you understand that most people doing science in university are just conformist NPCs doing it because everyone else is.

Why isn’t studying philosophy a better criterium for rationality—that’s what you did. I’m aware of all the problems with academic philosophy, but it’s still better than science. Every scientific field is siloed and lacks holism (every academic field really). It has nothing to do with actually understanding reality on a deep level.

If you ask any person studying science about their epistemology, they will reveal themselves to be clowns.

Edited 2 hours ago by AtmanIsBrahman

[CARDOZZO]

Chess is a great way to learn rationality through gamification.