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[CARDOZZO]

Bryan Johnson's 27mg Mushrooms Trip Report

I don't know what to make out of Bryan. Mixed signals.

Edited 7 hours ago by CARDOZZO

[LoneWonderer]

14 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

Bryan Johnson's 27mg Mushrooms Trip Report

I don't know what to make out of Bryan. Mixed signals.

Sounds like something Leo would've said. Bryan is quite a unique grounded guy. Unique for a centi millionaire that is. His business is about empowering people instead of enslaving them, and I can roll with that any day of the week. The trip report rocks!

For someone who's got millions in the bank sounds like he found the REAL gold! 😉

Edited 7 hours ago by LoneWonderer

[Natasha Tori Maru]

It's wrong to manipulate people

Oh hell yeah 

One really fucked up thing I have seen with the red pill / manosphere ideology? It is so insidious to deal with because it begins as an ideology - but the further you dive into it the wording becomes about making in an identity. As soon as this happens it becomes really difficult to dislodge and argue against with reason because the person feels they are defending their character rather than an idea or concept. As soon as anything is perceived as attacking, or even just questioning character, its the easiest way to polarise someone against any further dialogue. Even when you have valid points. Of course less developed people will claim and identify with their ideas as part of 'ego' - but the longer these guys are in the red pill world the further it slips into an identity. 

That sort of thinking where 'we're the ones who see it clearly, outsiders don't understand or are blind/stuck in matrix' starts to get into identity capture territory. And that is EXACTLY how you get brainwashed and indoctrinated into cults etc. Like if you drop the belief your whole identity falls apart. People have no idea it is brainwashing because they have this cartoon idea of what brainwashing is. But these days with social media and algorithms its a slow, drip fed info stream that gradually shifts internal structure. 

And then trying to convince them they have been fooled? Well. That's why my signature exists

Cheers for the vid + post!

[bazera]

27 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

That sort of thinking where 'we're the ones who see it clearly, outsiders don't understand or are blind/stuck in matrix' starts to get into identity capture territory. And that is EXACTLY how you get brainwashed and indoctrinated into cults etc.

Andrew Tate saying he is from another dimention, that he is Morpheus and is here to save young guys from the Matrix, is just so ridiculous. How is anyone so gullible to fall into that? I guess the answer is need for sex and money. People's need for sex and money is so great that they blindly listen to these fools.

These Red Pilled guys would look at Actualized and say it's a cult, and then turn to Andrew Tate for advice for getting out or a Matrix, LOL. It's so backwards.

31 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

And then trying to convince them they have been fooled?

I've tried that, and I have to say your signature speaks the truth  I've given up on that.

33 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Like if you drop the belief your whole identity falls apart.

Yeah and since nobody explained the psychology of identity and the role of belief systems in their epistemology and the importance of it, they just defend it blindly. 

I want to see Andrew Tate taking 5-meo-DMT just to see how his behavior would change  He'll probably double down on his bullshit. 

[Davino]

7 hours ago, integral said:

Basically it's like saying we need a drug to make women logical. It would be that difficult. 😂

It's called an autistic female

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@bazera I see you've confronted and tried with these types also. 

Once you see it - lets just say we learn to pick our battles 🥹

25 minutes ago, bazera said:

Yeah and since nobody explained the psychology of identity and the role of belief systems in their epistemology and the importance of it, they just defend it blindly. 

@Leo Gura get on it - make some millions and go hard advocating/campaigning for epistemology being taught in schools! It's a wild dream. The campaign would be the most difficult part because you would be convincing the stakeholders who have the power to change policy... with the same epistemic tools they themselves lack 💀

25 minutes ago, bazera said:

I want to see Andrew Tate taking 5-meo-DMT just to see how his behavior would change  He'll probably double down on his bullshit. 

It's so hard to judge this, isn't it? 

Edited 4 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Davino]

45 minutes ago, bazera said:

I want to see Andrew Tate taking 5-meo-DMT just to see how his behavior would change  He'll probably double down on his bullshit. 

I don't think so with 5meos, but with LSD surely he would.

[bazera]

27 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I see you've confronted and tried with these types also. 

Yeah couple friends who read Red Pill books (probably their 2nd book that they've read in life after high school) and were trying to convince me that those ideas would change my life. It's so easy to make money off of young guys with targeting their most basic survival needs. The ideology gets into their head very easily when they are not used to questioning.

32 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

It's so hard to judge this, isn't it? 

When I look at Mike Tyson's interviews where he describes his 5meo trips, he looks genuinely changed, he mentions rebirth and transformation experienses that changed him fundamentally. So maybe there's chance for Tate as well, maybe he'll get less egomaniac as he ages and thinks of his death more.

[Raze]

The problem is saying it’s “wrong to manipulate” even if it works, is in a competitive environment those who manipulate will win.

A guy can be as non manipulative as he wants, if women all go for the manipulators he will be single, and they will still be manipulated.

Saying manipulation is bad is easy, what’s not easy is the accountability of how so many of the demands society and women have actually call for men to be better manipulators and punish them when they aren’t. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

12 minutes ago, Raze said:

A guy can be as non manipulative as he wants, if women all go for the manipulators he will be single, and they will still be manipulated.

This is the false belief - Leo even stated in the post you will attract women ONLY with issues this way. You screen out healthy, securely attached women who are of higher potential mate value.

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The problem is saying it’s “wrong to manipulate” even if it works, is in a competitive environment those who manipulate will win.

The point is to have integrity and not lower yourself to some shit systematic standard. Also relates back to the point above. You'll filter out good women.

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Saying manipulation is bad is easy, what’s not easy is the accountability of how so many of the demands society and women have actually call for men to be better manipulators and punish them when they aren’t. 

Yeah I don't buy this. It's a nice way to avoid responsibility. 

[Leo Gura]

22 minutes ago, Raze said:

The problem is saying it’s “wrong to manipulate” even if it works, is in a competitive environment those who manipulate will win.

A guy can be as non manipulative as he wants, if women all go for the manipulators he will be single, and they will still be manipulated.

Saying manipulation is bad is easy, what’s not easy is the accountability of how so many of the demands society and women have actually call for men to be better manipulators and punish them when they aren’t. 

That's a good argument for business and war. But it's a terrible argument for relationships.

You don't need to manipulate women in a relationship. You don't gain an advantage in doing so. Eventually every woman, no matter how naive or unconscious, will grow sick of your manipulations and leave you.

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Raze]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

That's a good argument for business and war. But it's a terrible argument for relationships.

You don't need to manipulate women in a relationship. You don't gain an advantage in doing so.

If a woman asks you “do I look fat in this dress” and you say “no” even if she does, that’s manipulation.

If you didn’t manipulate, you would frustrate her and be in constant arguments.

[Leo Gura]

Just now, Raze said:

If a woman asks you “do I look fat in this dress” and you say “no” even if she does, that’s manipulation.

If you didn’t manipulate, you would frustrate her and be in constant arguments.

That's very different from what Andrew Tate is doing.

I am not asking you to be perfect. Just surrender the proactive manipulation.

[Raze]

33 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That's very different from what Andrew Tate is doing.

I am not asking you to be perfect. Just surrender the proactive manipulation.

Tate and Fresh and Fit are hooligan shock jocks who don’t give coherent advice that would even work.

In reality most men today struggle because they don’t know how to manipulate enough, not because they try to manipulate. 

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Raze said:

Tate and Fresh and Fit are hooligan shock jocks who don’t give coherent advice that would even work.

In reality most men today struggle because they don’t know how to manipulate enough, not because they try to manipulate. 

You should not be emotionally manipulating your girlfriend. That's very stupid. This should be so obvious that I shouldn't need to say it.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Ajay0]

On 3/23/2026 at 4:24 PM, Leo Gura said:

Don't even start with that. There is a whole culture of rape in India. It isn't even considered wrong.

America and Europe doesn't have gangs of rapists running around.

Rape is legally wrong in India and there are punishments for the same, if convicted. 

The issue however is that India lacks the necessary resources in terms of judiciary and policing at present to enforce its laws properly.

It's police to population ratio is just 155 as opposed to UN mandated 222  ( due to damaged economy after independence from western colonial rule) which however is now gradually improving due to the fast developing economy. 

India also has the largest number of English newspapers and the biggest readership, with The Times of India being the world's largest English daily by circulation.

Consequently all rape cases in India have reached world attention, sourced from Indian media directly without the censorship and media controls in other authoritarian and theocratic countries lacking press freedom. 

As a result of all this information, rape in India is magnified wrongly over many other countries where lack of women's rights is a bigger issue.

Since the same rape report is highlighted by many Indian english newspapers, there is the impression that there are many rapes committed which magnifies the issue disproportionately.

India also has the world's largest population of 1 billion 400 million, so crime rates are obviously bound to be higher statistically speaking than any country in the world.

However a major positive is that India has not been involved in global wars like the world wars and genocides which saw millions of women raped.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_World_War_I

https://medicamondiale.org/en/violence-against-women/news/world-war-ii-millions-of-rapes-on-women-and-girls

Breakdowns in law and order due to dictatorships, political instability and insurgencies, cartel violence leading to women's rights violations as has happened in Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Nigeria, Bosnia, Syria, Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq, Myanmar, Mexico and so on, has not happened in India.

Heavy sexual violence against native American women in the US and Canada have been highlighted in recent times as well. The scandals related to the Dutrov rape and paedophilia scandal in Europe involving members of the elite classes, as well as the Epstein and Winstein scandals in the US have also highlighted inadequacies in ensuring women's and children's rights in so called first world countries as well.

Imho, the prevention of crimes against women and children requires not just a healthy police to poulation ratio of 222 and more, it also requires an adept and flawless legal system which efficiently and quickly delivers justice to the victim and punishes the perpetrator; ethically conscious lawyers, journalists and social activists in abundance to ensure that the laws are updated and not obsolete, implemented meticulously and law-breakers reported and punished. A value-based culture that deifies or humanizes women rather than dehumanizing or objectifying them is also part of the solution. 

[aurum]

The way these red pillers talk about women is so ugly.

[Leo Gura]

@Ajay0 It is not just the lack of police and legal system, it is culture and development level.

I keep telling you guys: Development Level.

It's like I am speaking but the words go in one ear and out the other.

Low development levels never have good police or legal systems. They are always too corrupt.

When development level is low, when people live like animals, there is no one to police sexual abuse and not even a culture against sexual abuse. All of these things are interrelated and come as a package.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[bazera]

10 minutes ago, Raze said:

In reality most men today struggle because they don’t know how to manipulate enough, not because they try to manipulate. 

Can you give examples of what you mean? Like in practice, what kind of manipulations are you saying would be okay for you? Specific scenarios.

[Raze]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Ajay0 It is not just the lack of police and legal system, it is culture and development level.

I keep telling you guys: Development Level.

It's like I am speaking but the words go in one ear and out the other.

Because it’s not that simple. You can have an lower development level and have less rape.

In fact less women say in surveys in India they have been raped then American women.

While yes maybe they are less likely to report it or understand what happened to them, it’s plausible it’s still lower overall for sociological and lower developmental reasons.

In India due to the diet Indian men have less testosterone on average than American men, which could make them less likely to commit crime a studies find higher testosterone  can be linked to aggression. 

In addition due to restrictions on women in more traditional cultures women get exposed to different men less which can actually make them less likely to be victimized by men.

I talked to a PUA who went to India to game and he said it was difficult even finding unmarried women to talk to outside of malls.

Who is less likely to be raped, a rural indian woman whose traditional culture doesn’t let her around any man who isn’t her family without a chaperone, or a feminist American woman who gets drunk every week and clubs and smokes weed with strangers from dating apps? 

Edited 2 hours ago by Raze