Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[Thought Art]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

He teaches it, but indirectly. I studied Owen's work for years and practiced it. But I still didn't have that play insight without my God-Consciousness.

Of course all great coaches are employing play, but they aren't teaching it that way. I've never heard a coach properly explain the essence of game as I now understand it. They teach techniques and tips.

There is a difference between doing techniques that work vs profoud insight into the totality of a dynamic.

Owen calls it "wanky  time"

[Phil King]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I said much of MY sex was based on falseness. For example, being with a girl who you know is not right for you

Do you actually mean it when you say that you wish you were a forever virgin? If that is really the case, would you even recommend a young man to pursue pickup and relationships? If you could go back in time, would you rather have just been like isaac newton and focused solely on your work? 

Honestly im torn on this issue and was heavily debating on monk/MGTOW lifestyle as cringe as that is

 

 

Edited July 22, 2025 by Phil King

[RendHeaven]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I am not saying all sex is inherently false because it is survival.

I said much of MY sex was based on falseness. For example, being with a girl who you know is not right for you.

No, you specifically said that if you were truthful, you would likely still be a virgin (aka ALL of your sex was false)

and furthermore you universalized it by suggesting that all of us will face this trade off to "test our seriousness."

Obviously some sex is more truthful than others, but the nature of the beast skews the ratio towards falsehood, it's not 50/50

Edited July 22, 2025 by RendHeaven

[CARDOZZO]

This video shows how a metaphor/analogy is extremely valuable to teach you a deep lesson

 

[RendHeaven]

I agree that lip filler is ugly as fuck. There's no real ROI other than aligning with the group-think (and it's not clear what that actually gets you. maybe a sense of safety and belonging?)

However, some cosmetic enhancements do have genuine non-consensus ROI because they mimic a genetically desireable trait without giving away the fakeness

like fake tits in 2025 (not to be confused with fake tits in <2010) which can give an ectomorphic woman an ungodly hourglass figure which historically could only be possible if you were a 1 in 1000 genetic unicorn, but now if your baseline is decently thin you can go to the clinic, get your tiddies done, hit glutes at the gym... and watch your power over men skyrocket.

You could argue that this is still consensus, but I would argue that you are now hijacking biology (to an extent that something like lip filler cannot keep up) so the ROI is grounded 1 layer deeper than social trends.

I should also note that obviously you can overdo fake tits as well. The most ideal breasts would compliment your frame. Often, less is more. This also applies to men with muscles. Western men are vastly overinflated with muscle and they're not even aware of it. Fight club brad pitt has always been ideal, but now we're all trying to be thor. Mike thurston and all of his fans don't even realize that he has over done it.

Edited July 22, 2025 by RendHeaven

[Princess Arabia]

33 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

So that one song "girls just like to have fun" was the original pick up artist?

Nice one but that's not exactly it. What it is, imo anyway and what I intuit, is that women like to see men have fun. Humor takes a little away from the stress of having to impress; and by nature, women feel their impressions is in the way they look and feel. When a man is humorous and playful with them it shows he's comfortable around her and that opens up the space for her to be comfortable and be herself around him. We're playful by nature, so now the chemistry is balanced and less effort involved in trying to win the other over. The playfulness does it all by itself and now she's in and wants to experience the chemistry even more because it feels good.

[Leo Gura]

24 minutes ago, Phil King said:

Do you actually mean it when you say that you wish you were a forever virgin?

I did not say that.

24 minutes ago, Phil King said:

If that is really the case, would you even recommend a young man to pursue pickup and relationships?

Yes, pursue it.

21 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

No, you specifically said that if you were truthful, you would likely still be a virgin (aka ALL of your sex was false)

and furthermore you universalized it by suggesting that all of us will face this trade off to "test our seriousness."

I didn't univeralize my situation.

But you will certainly be tested on truth vs sex.

[Princess Arabia]

Guys, you are not Leo. What might be right for him and most suits his lifestyle and personality, might not be right for you. Not everything he says is a suggestion that you be or do the same. See it as him being him and that you have a different persona to compliment a different choice. Don't go thinking now you should abstain from sex and that sex with certain women is unconscious behavior and how much you might regret having sex in the future.

Be your own person and do what you feel is best for you in the moment. You might regret a decision later but that's life and what experiences is all about. Do it or don't do it because of you not because of what Leo said in a blog post about his personal life and past choices. What's good for the goose might not be good for the gander. Stop taking Leo's words when it comes to his personal life as gospel and that it relates to your life also. Ten years from now he might regret not having more sex in his 40's because he lost his penis or something. Oops, I didn't say that. Lol

Edited July 22, 2025 by Princess Arabia

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Personally, romantic relations/sex were the best waya to reveal the spiralling depths to how I was self deceived. They have this way of digging up all the internal parts that aren't coherent.

NGL I was busted as fuck in that arena until 4-5 years ago. I healed the most from broken relationships. 

Revealing the unconscious levels of deception there was the calling that pushed me to look into other areas of existence I was engaging in falsehood

Edited July 22, 2025 by Natasha Tori Maru

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Guys, you are not Leo. What might be right for him and most suits his lifestyle and personality, might not be right for you.

Correct. I am a weird dude.

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Correct. I am a weird dude.

No, just different. Weird is trying to be like everyone else.❤️

[ryoko]

I don't understand what you mean by sex vs truth. Looks like it's just regret from giving energy to people you shouldn't even have met in the first place. And that had made you more diluted instead of integrated. That "false" energy exchange just makes you do more work to build back what you lost. A lot of absolutely unnecessary work. 

Don't be too hard on yourself Leo. Culture hijacks everyone. Know that all of it had it's upsides as well, which are often taken for granted. 

Ironically. I remember quitting Leo's channel for like 5 years after I heard him mention stuff like, "Have sex with as many people as you can in your college days". Video titled advice for young people or something. 

Edited July 22, 2025 by ryoko

[Terell Kirby]

Getting lost in sex isn't the way, but also repression of sexual needs isn't either. 

Strike a middle way until you transcend the need for sex entirely, otherwise you end up using false notion of truth/spirituality to deny your sexual urges and become dysfunctional. Same thing with sexually repressed orthodox fundamentalist.

 

[Jayson G]

@Leo Gura Isn't much of life based on "falseness" though? various friendships, personality traits, etc.? Isn't a lot of that survival + conditioning + society, etc. (mostly survival)? I'm curious why you isolated sex though, because from my understanding, you, me, almost everyone has a good amount of that falseness baked into any life they build, any infrastructure they build, any business, relationship, various activities they do, etc.? Isn't it even partly delusional to expect some aspect of life you build as part of your life, to be falseness-free? To expect something to be falseness-free sounds fantastical in the first place?

Edited July 22, 2025 by Jayson G

[Miguel1]

@Jayson G Sex is like the most clear example of them all.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, ryoko said:

I don't understand what you mean by sex vs truth. Looks like it's just regret from giving energy to people you shouldn't even have met in the first place. And that had made you more diluted instead of integrated. That "false" energy exchange just makes you do more work to build back what you lost. A lot of absolutely unnecessary work. 

I could be wrong here - regarding sex vs truth. When you want something - anything in life - you are more willing to present a falsehood to obtain it. You lie when you want something. Usually in service to the ego/self/survival. The lies could be about anything. And when you lie - you are destroying your own integrity. You pollute your experience. Your way of viewing it as an energy exchange is similar - but reducing it down to its constituents - its lies to obtain something. Truth out the door. You always forsake truth for your own personal gain.

This business of lying for personal gain weakens you. You aren't as effective in the world. Which isn't a moral matter, it is existential. This property is found all around us in material reality. You think you get away with this - but you don't. You don't see the consequences. But they are there. They show up. And being highly conscious will mean you feel the ramifications more than someone who is of a lower consciousness level. You are 'conscious' of the lies effect on your experience of reality. Most people cannot detect and feel this. They are too low consciousness.

You become so conscious lying is anathema to your very existence.

[Miguel1]

At the end of the day guys, we all have a deep bias towards survival of our own human body and mind.

Each day we consume countless other life forms selfishly in order to maintain our own form.

And that is healthy.

But how truthful?

[Miguel1]

4 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

This business of lying for personal gain weakens you. You aren't as effective in the world. Which isn't a moral matter, it is existential. This property is found all around us in material reality. You think you get away with this - but you don't. You don't see the consequences. But they are there. They show up. And being highly conscious will mean you feel the ramifications more than someone who is of a lower consciousness level. You are 'conscious' of the lies effect on your experience of reality. Most people cannot detect and feel this. They are too low consciousness.

You become so conscious lying is anathema to your very existence.

Yep, it comes down to this.

Well articulated!

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Miguel1 Thank you

Sad to say I have learned from experience.

I have been an Absolute piece of shit in the past. 

But that person is gone now hay - doesn't exist. Only a long forgotten memory

Only the lessons learned remain.

[Jayson G]

21 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

@Jayson G Sex is like the most clear example of them all.

@Miguel1 Yeah good point. And you can even replace sex with anything else, and the post still holds well. 

But also after reading his post and something else he said later on the forum, my main insight is that there's falseness all around, but is the core motivator built on truth?