Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[UpperMaster]

What does falseness even mean? Someone elaborate pls

[Leo Gura]

7 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

Ok let me get serious and try to steelman you.

sex is typically a negotiation between 2 people's survival agendas.

you're surviving the self, and she's surviving the self, and you both come together and survive together while pretending its pure and benevolent and motivated by goodness and "love" when actually you're just being mutually transactional + in denial of your own self-serving nature

people only have sex to acquire personal benefit. Even the tantric "divine feminine" with her opened heart-chakra, exploring her sexuality and self-expression with no strings attached, cherishing "sacred union" with the "emotional containment" of the "divine masculine" is really just farming positivity which fuels her self-agenda.

In that sense, you can see any and all sex as inherently seducing you away from truth. There WILL be a conflict of interest between what's actually happening VS how you would rather frame the process to maximize self-serving agenda

But then that gets me thinking, what would truthful sex look like? Surely this exists...

I imagine that to have truth and sex at the same time, you just have to be very lucid and transparent about your own incentives to yourself.

As long as you're able to spell out to yourself how you are actively succumbing to self-agenda in real time, you actually do salvage a meager morsel of truth, relative to the version of you who would rather do away with truthseeking entirely.

But even then you're not in the clear because even though you may have seen through your own self-agenda, it's not the case that she has seen through her self-agenda. And it's not your place to deconstruct her agenda on her behalf. In fact, to give her a good time, you have a responsibility to keep her fantasies in-tact. The more you play up the fantasy, the more fun it is for both (but especially her). Good sex is like handling a delicate vase and trying not to accidentally drop it, causing it to shatter into a million pieces. HARSH REALITY kills the game. womp womp.

Ok but surely if you find your super spiritual hot witch wifey, you can both be enlightened together and finally have truthful sex without coy fake dual-agendas

but actually every relationship must, by necessity have at least a little bit of falsehood.

because you're choosing to love a specific person unequally from the rest of reality. You're being awfully selective about your union. You will only unify flesh with that which you are attracted to. Of course, this is not a glitch by any means. You have no obligation to fuck people outside of your category of attraction.

But just notice that you are necessarily using your genitals to carve distinctions that you dare not question (ESPECIALLY if you romantically favor them): "this one here is more special than the others"

you are voting with your actions and there's no denying that your sensemaking is being deliberately skewed as you elect to cherish one person at the cost of all other beings (you having loving tantric sex with your unicorn wife is you NOT having loving tantric sex with an obese woman; an ugly grandma; a MALE; a dog; a donkey; etc.)

It's not that selectiveness is bad. It's that you are grotesquely effective at cherry picking who to unify with. You are happy to NOT love the majority of beings deeply, intimately, and personally. You dare not hold a homelessman or a sewer rat or a cockroach the way you hold your wife. And again, this is not a mistake or a moral judgement. It's just an objective measure of your distance from God.

If you wholly commit to truth, it's not enough to merely acknowledge your biases and then to continue acting them out. At some point, you yearn for unbias so sincerely that you literally cannot bring yourself to discriminate so blatantly with your cock. As you are fucking your unicorn wife, you're almost disappointed in how limited she is - that she is not all beings at once. But this is not her fault, she's not meant to be all beings at once. That's a distinction for MIND to collapse. Ultimately, your method of unification can no longer be your cock. Your cock becomes untenable. The only way to unify all beings into absolute intimacy is pure MIND

there's something deeply human about sex and relationships. by definition it is a biased pursuit that derails the quest for unbias.

It is actually this rich, inescapable bias that is precisely beautiful, but nonetheless false

I am not saying all sex is inherently false because it is survival.

I said much of MY sex was based on falseness. For example, being with a girl who you know is not right for you.

Edited Monday at 11:10 PM by Leo Gura

[Twentyfirst]

On 7/20/2025 at 1:04 AM, Husseinisdoingfine said:

https://www.actualized.org/insights/conservatives-always-lose

Conservatism is a defensive strategy, always retreating and never advancing. It is a losing position.

This is just the shadow of Conservatism. Didn't mention a single good thing about conservative values in that post it was just all negativity. As if liberalism is perfect in all ways. Do you think every single conservative in the world used to do these things? Yes those things are gone, which is good, but true conservatism remains. So only the false aspects of it left. Just because you don't know how to do conservatism right doesn't mean it's not available. The best formula actually is 80 percent conservative (non shadow) and 20 percent liberal (non shadow). The issue is pitting them against each other rather than strategically combining them. I guess the problem is conservative idiots who speak on conservatism are ruining the message to outsiders by not properly understanding it themselves. Sure the history has some blind spots for sure. But in 100 years they will look back at liberals today and point out all the obvious wrongs

Conservatism isn't going anywhere btw because liberalism couldn't exist without conservatism as a foundation. That's why conservatism came first and why it's still here and will be for the next hundred years at least (but I suspect it will never go away). Liberalism is just an offshoot. Without conservatism you wouldn't be able to have the comfort of complaining about whatever it is that the woke complain about. Without conservatism the woke would be lost in too much survival to do their new age protesting. I say they would be lost in survival because only conservatism can succeed in survival without being corrupted. If the woke were plunged into survival they have no timeless values to help them so they will have to do shady things to survive or just die out completely 

Edited Tuesday at 12:48 AM by Twentyfirst

[Twentyfirst]

8 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Leo's explanation of his GAME AWAKENING is superb. Guys, take heed. It's not all, but a big chunk on how females get attracted - genuinely attracted, not for some pay off or reward system, just pure raw attraction.

Why do you think PLAYers get all the play. Pun intended. The mind is a serious and clever self creator. Just calling or perceiving a man to be a player is half the work. The attraction is in the word. 

So when you're coming on here complaining about women and despising the dating scene and blah, blah blahing, while the comedian and the 'play r us' guys are out there getting laid and having a grand ole time, you could be out practicing your playful skills. Practice here by finding humor in your need to blast women or find humor in your seriousness for not getting laid as you'd like and also stop telling me I'm not a man so I won't understand so and so, I understand humor and I understand what makes me feel like wanting to sleep with a man and knowledge has nothing to do with it. The playful sense of the attraction energy is what penetrates all of this existence and how the energies interact and perform this beautiful melodios thing called life. Energy is playing with itself but we're just not laughing.

Thank you Leo for that beautiful post. I can't say enough about it. 

So that one song "girls just like to have fun" was the original pick up artist? Lol

I don't think the guys complain about women going with players. I think they complain afterwards when the women complain about being screwed over by the player. Then the guy thinks "well I wouldn't have screwed her over at the end so that's proof she should have picked me"

Honest playing is where it's at. There are ways of doing honesty you just won't get that many girls but when you do the women are top tier 

Edited Tuesday at 12:39 AM by Twentyfirst

[Thought Art]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

He teaches it, but indirectly. I studied Owen's work for years and practiced it. But I still didn't have that play insight without my God-Consciousness.

Of course all great coaches are employing play, but they aren't teaching it that way. I've never heard a coach properly explain the essence of game as I now understand it. They teach techniques and tips.

There is a difference between doing techniques that work vs profoud insight into the totality of a dynamic.

Owen calls it "wanky  time"

[Phil King]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I said much of MY sex was based on falseness. For example, being with a girl who you know is not right for you

Do you actually mean it when you say that you wish you were a forever virgin? If that is really the case, would you even recommend a young man to pursue pickup and relationships? If you could go back in time, would you rather have just been like isaac newton and focused solely on your work? 

Honestly im torn on this issue and was heavily debating on monk/MGTOW lifestyle as cringe as that is

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 01:00 AM by Phil King

[RendHeaven]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I am not saying all sex is inherently false because it is survival.

I said much of MY sex was based on falseness. For example, being with a girl who you know is not right for you.

No, you specifically said that if you were truthful, you would likely still be a virgin (aka ALL of your sex was false)

and furthermore you universalized it by suggesting that all of us will face this trade off to "test our seriousness."

Obviously some sex is more truthful than others, but the nature of the beast skews the ratio towards falsehood, it's not 50/50

Edited Tuesday at 01:01 AM by RendHeaven

[CARDOZZO]

This video shows how a metaphor/analogy is extremely valuable to teach you a deep lesson

 

[RendHeaven]

I agree that lip filler is ugly as fuck. There's no real ROI other than aligning with the group-think (and it's not clear what that actually gets you. maybe a sense of safety and belonging?)

However, some cosmetic enhancements do have genuine non-consensus ROI because they mimic a genetically desireable trait without giving away the fakeness

like fake tits in 2025 (not to be confused with fake tits in <2010) which can give an ectomorphic woman an ungodly hourglass figure which historically could only be possible if you were a 1 in 1000 genetic unicorn, but now if your baseline is decently thin you can go to the clinic, get your tiddies done, hit glutes at the gym... and watch your power over men skyrocket.

You could argue that this is still consensus, but I would argue that you are now hijacking biology (to an extent that something like lip filler cannot keep up) so the ROI is grounded 1 layer deeper than social trends.

I should also note that obviously you can overdo fake tits as well. The most ideal breasts would compliment your frame. Often, less is more. This also applies to men with muscles. Western men are vastly overinflated with muscle and they're not even aware of it. Fight club brad pitt has always been ideal, but now we're all trying to be thor. Mike thurston and all of his fans don't even realize that he has over done it.

Edited Tuesday at 01:19 AM by RendHeaven

[Princess Arabia]

33 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

So that one song "girls just like to have fun" was the original pick up artist?

Nice one but that's not exactly it. What it is, imo anyway and what I intuit, is that women like to see men have fun. Humor takes a little away from the stress of having to impress; and by nature, women feel their impressions is in the way they look and feel. When a man is humorous and playful with them it shows he's comfortable around her and that opens up the space for her to be comfortable and be herself around him. We're playful by nature, so now the chemistry is balanced and less effort involved in trying to win the other over. The playfulness does it all by itself and now she's in and wants to experience the chemistry even more because it feels good.

[Leo Gura]

24 minutes ago, Phil King said:

Do you actually mean it when you say that you wish you were a forever virgin?

I did not say that.

24 minutes ago, Phil King said:

If that is really the case, would you even recommend a young man to pursue pickup and relationships?

Yes, pursue it.

21 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

No, you specifically said that if you were truthful, you would likely still be a virgin (aka ALL of your sex was false)

and furthermore you universalized it by suggesting that all of us will face this trade off to "test our seriousness."

I didn't univeralize my situation.

But you will certainly be tested on truth vs sex.

[Princess Arabia]

Guys, you are not Leo. What might be right for him and most suits his lifestyle and personality, might not be right for you. Not everything he says is a suggestion that you be or do the same. See it as him being him and that you have a different persona to compliment a different choice. Don't go thinking now you should abstain from sex and that sex with certain women is unconscious behavior and how much you might regret having sex in the future.

Be your own person and do what you feel is best for you in the moment. You might regret a decision later but that's life and what experiences is all about. Do it or don't do it because of you not because of what Leo said in a blog post about his personal life and past choices. What's good for the goose might not be good for the gander. Stop taking Leo's words when it comes to his personal life as gospel and that it relates to your life also. Ten years from now he might regret not having more sex in his 40's because he lost his penis or something. Oops, I didn't say that. Lol

Edited Tuesday at 01:36 AM by Princess Arabia

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Personally, romantic relations/sex were the best waya to reveal the spiralling depths to how I was self deceived. They have this way of digging up all the internal parts that aren't coherent.

NGL I was busted as fuck in that arena until 4-5 years ago. I healed the most from broken relationships. 

Revealing the unconscious levels of deception there was the calling that pushed me to look into other areas of existence I was engaging in falsehood

Edited Tuesday at 01:36 AM by Natasha Tori Maru

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Guys, you are not Leo. What might be right for him and most suits his lifestyle and personality, might not be right for you.

Correct. I am a weird dude.

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Correct. I am a weird dude.

No, just different. Weird is trying to be like everyone else.❤️

[ryoko]

I don't understand what you mean by sex vs truth. Looks like it's just regret from giving energy to people you shouldn't even have met in the first place. And that had made you more diluted instead of integrated. That "false" energy exchange just makes you do more work to build back what you lost. A lot of absolutely unnecessary work. 

Don't be too hard on yourself Leo. Culture hijacks everyone. Know that all of it had it's upsides as well, which are often taken for granted. 

Ironically. I remember quitting Leo's channel for like 5 years after I heard him mention stuff like, "Have sex with as many people as you can in your college days". Video titled advice for young people or something. 

Edited Tuesday at 03:02 AM by ryoko

[Terell Kirby]

Getting lost in sex isn't the way, but also repression of sexual needs isn't either. 

Strike a middle way until you transcend the need for sex entirely, otherwise you end up using false notion of truth/spirituality to deny your sexual urges and become dysfunctional. Same thing with sexually repressed orthodox fundamentalist.

 

[Jayson G]

@Leo Gura Isn't much of life based on "falseness" though? various friendships, personality traits, etc.? Isn't a lot of that survival + conditioning + society, etc. (mostly survival)? I'm curious why you isolated sex though, because from my understanding, you, me, almost everyone has a good amount of that falseness baked into any life they build, any infrastructure they build, any business, relationship, various activities they do, etc.? Isn't it even partly delusional to expect some aspect of life you build as part of your life, to be falseness-free? To expect something to be falseness-free sounds fantastical in the first place?

Edited Tuesday at 04:25 AM by Jayson G

[Miguel1]

@Jayson G Sex is like the most clear example of them all.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, ryoko said:

I don't understand what you mean by sex vs truth. Looks like it's just regret from giving energy to people you shouldn't even have met in the first place. And that had made you more diluted instead of integrated. That "false" energy exchange just makes you do more work to build back what you lost. A lot of absolutely unnecessary work. 

I could be wrong here - regarding sex vs truth. When you want something - anything in life - you are more willing to present a falsehood to obtain it. You lie when you want something. Usually in service to the ego/self/survival. The lies could be about anything. And when you lie - you are destroying your own integrity. You pollute your experience. Your way of viewing it as an energy exchange is similar - but reducing it down to its constituents - its lies to obtain something. Truth out the door. You always forsake truth for your own personal gain.

This business of lying for personal gain weakens you. You aren't as effective in the world. Which isn't a moral matter, it is existential. This property is found all around us in material reality. You think you get away with this - but you don't. You don't see the consequences. But they are there. They show up. And being highly conscious will mean you feel the ramifications more than someone who is of a lower consciousness level. You are 'conscious' of the lies effect on your experience of reality. Most people cannot detect and feel this. They are too low consciousness.

You become so conscious lying is anathema to your very existence.